English Prison System sends Transgender Woman to Male Prison

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

There is a better word. It's gender.

Transgenderism itself isn't a gender. Is it? I honestly don't even know any more, the whole thing is getting that ridiculous.

Your right. "Transgenderism" isn't a gender. Being a woman is though, as I can very well say from experience.

[Ifreann]

Transgenderism itself isn't a gender. Is it? I honestly don't even know any more, the whole thing is getting that ridiculous.

Your right. "Transgenderism" isn't a gender. Being a woman is though, as I can very well say from experience.

A woman on the internet?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Your right. "Transgenderism" isn't a gender. Being a woman is though, as I can very well say from experience.

A woman on the internet?

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

[Fartsniffage]

A woman on the internet?

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

There are no women on NSG. If there were then I'd have to put on pants and that's simply unacceptable.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

There are no women on NSG. If there were then I'd have to put on pants and that's simply unacceptable.

*stares*
Its fine you can keep them down......

[Wisconsin9]

A lot of prison inmate dont care too much on gender, that being said a woman would probably be a red letter target regardless.

I'm not convinced.
I think that while it's possible some nefarious types might try, you're also going to see the general male protectiveness kick in and prisoners don't like sex criminals.
I think prisons could be desegregated and it would probably reduce incidents of prison rape, because it would mean that status and courting begin to take influence on the population. I think it might well act as a civilizing influence in general. The opinion the opposite sex has of you could regulate behaviors.

That, and the guards are likely to keep an eye out in this specific case.

All that said, it's possible that this transwoman won't be treated like a woman in mens jail would be, and the protective tendencies won't manifest due to transphobia.

Not only does it happen, it's actually more common for gay and transgender inmates to be raped.

[Ifreann]

A woman on the internet?

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

How awful that must be for you.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

How awful that must be for you.

Yes, it is.... fading in and out of existence as people get more or less imaginative and all.....

[Nocturnalis]

Transgenderism itself isn't a gender. Is it? I honestly don't even know any more, the whole thing is getting that ridiculous.

Your right. "Transgenderism" isn't a gender. Being a woman is though, as I can very well say from experience.

Well duh, it is. That's not what I was arguing in that particular instance.

Out of curiosity, what would a better word than 'lifestyle' be, then?

Silly; women don't exist on the internet because everyone is anonymous!

[Mairland]

Whatever.

Born a male ---> have passport that says you are male ---> registered as a man ---> you go to a male prison.

---> become the target of disproportionate amounts of violence, because no amount of shoddy biological essentialism can change the fact that you are, both internally and externally, a woman in an all-male prison.

Congrats. You may well end up having a woman's blood on your hands, courtesy of your transphobia.

I am not a transphobic.

It is called orderly government.

[Liriena]

There is a better word. It's gender.

Transgenderism itself isn't a gender.

Technically it's the name of the mismatch between someone's gender and their assigned sex.

Is it? I honestly don't even know any more, the whole thing is getting that ridiculous.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's "ridiculous". I don't understand quantum mechanics, but I don't consider it "ridiculous" because of that.

You really can't see the connection between disdainful rhetoric towards a specific group and violence against that same specific group? Do you think transgender people would face the same amount of violence if transphobic rhetoric was more frowned upon by society?

Active disdain, sure.
Passive disdain, no.

You can't fathom how taking part in the normalisation of disdain towards a certain group might make particularly disdainful people more willing to express their disdain through violence?

One of the reasons why the trans panic defenses have been effective in the past is because it relies on the "passive" disdain of people other than those who are violently disdainful.

I'm not exactly inspiring violence with my intense indifference.

Except you are clearly not indifferent. You have a pretty defined opinion on this matter, and you've publicly expressed it without anybody here requesting it beforehand.

Newsflash, a good portion of people don't care. Are they suddenly responsible for murders they could not have realistically committed?

Directly? Certainly not. But passive acceptance of violence towards a vulnerable group necessarily enables the perpetuation of said violence.

And tell me, how many murders against trans people are committed explicitly because of their gender? Explicitly because of anti-trans rhetoric?

That may take a while to answer, but in the meantime, here's some info on hate crimes against trans people. http://www.advocate.com/crime/2015/06/09/anti-lgbt-violence-down-anti-trans-hate-crimes

[East Catalina]

A woman on the internet?

OMG no... it can't be! I must just be a figment of NSG's collective imagination!

We're all pervs obviously and that old quote is still true: our men are men, our women are men, our children are FBI agents.
No, I'll take you at your word. Anything worse is a violation of privacy.
Now I understand justice Blackmun's opinion on Roe v. Wade!

Oh, it's not an attempt to persuade transphobes to switch sides.
It's a statement, which I made.

Eh, good for you. Still doesn't change the fact that trying to convince people through...less than stellar rhetoric like that doesn't really work out that well, usually.

True.
Though I suppose that understanding the matter begins with understanding gender, and then learning how it isn't linked to chromosomes reliably.

[Liriena]

---> become the target of disproportionate amounts of violence, because no amount of shoddy biological essentialism can change the fact that you are, both internally and externally, a woman in an all-male prison.

Congrats. You may well end up having a woman's blood on your hands, courtesy of your transphobia.

I am not a transphobic.

It is called orderly government.

And exactly what purpose does the government being so unflinchingly orderly serve here? Who benefits from having someone who medical professionals consider a woman in an all-male prison?

[The Alexanderians]

There are no women on NSG. If there were then I'd have to put on pants and that's simply unacceptable.

*stares*
Its fine you can keep them down......

You two are going on the quotes thread now XD

[Ifreann]

I am not a transphobic.

It is called orderly government.

And exactly what purpose does the government being so unflinchingly orderly serve here? Who benefits from having someone who medical professionals consider a woman in an all-male prison?

People whose lives revolve around paperwork.

[Nocturnalis]

I am not a transphobic.

It is called orderly government.

And exactly what purpose does the government being so unflinchingly orderly serve here? Who benefits from having someone who medical professionals consider a woman in an all-male prison?

The folks who gotta sort through their paperwork, obviously.

[Imperializt Russia]

Technically speaking, "trans panic" isn't wholesale murder.

Take that up with Benxboro, they explicitly stated 'murderers'.

"Wholesale murder" is a charged term meaning either literal open season or mass murder.

A lot of prison inmate dont care too much on gender, that being said a woman would probably be a red letter target regardless.

I'm not convinced.
I think that while it's possible some nefarious types might try, you're also going to see the general male protectiveness kick in and prisoners don't like sex criminals.
I think prisons could be desegregated and it would probably reduce incidents of prison rape, because it would mean that status and courting begin to take influence on the population. I think it might well act as a civilizing influence in general. The opinion the opposite sex has of you could regulate behaviors.

That, and the guards are likely to keep an eye out in this specific case.

All that said, it's possible that this transwoman won't be treated like a woman in mens jail would be, and the protective tendencies won't manifest due to transphobia.

Bristol Prison apparently has a reputation for being especially violent.
Isn't it the prison that Blunkett said should be machine gunned the last time they had a major riot?

[Harisistan]

well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

[Vassenor]

well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

[Harisistan]

well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.

[Liriena]

well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

[Wallenburg]

well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

No she isn't. If I were to swap your mind with that of someone of the opposite sex, would you cease to be the same gender as before?

[Talvezout]

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

It's like the rule of inverse homosexuality.

[Harisistan]

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

I think if a person was born with a penis, he is a male, if a person was born with a vagina, she is a female.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.

Huhh what? There's a dude stapled between her legs? How'd he get there?!