English Prison System sends Transgender Woman to Male Prison

[Alyakia]

then why are women in separate prisons?

Legal gender.

and? why does that justify separate prisons?

[Wisconsin9]

It's putting someone in a place where it's not unlikely she'll be raped, in direct contravention of the opinion of a medical expert, because of a technicality on her passport. I can't think of a better example of blind adherence than this.

Everyone is likely to be raped in a male prison, that should be changed for everyone not just in her case alone.

Oh for fuck's sake, take a look at that picture and tell me she isn't going to move straight to the top of everybody's list.

[Herrebrugh]

Why not both?

It could be both, but often its not.

I'm saying it should be about both.

[Wisconsin9]

Legal gender.

and? why does that justify separate prisons?

well now ahem clearly ahem it's because male prisoners ahem are like sharks ahem and go completely berserk ahem when they smell blood

[The Patrimony of Saint Peter]

But he can't go to the lady bits prison because he's a gentleman (albeit, one of ill repute)! But he can't go to the male prison because he has lady bits. Tower of London, anyone?

False

So if you paint me with white and black stripes am I a zebra? I demand to be a zebra. I shall have my hands removed and put hooves on them and I shall join my zebra brethren on the Serengeti. And when I commit a crime you can't do shit because I'm a zebra.

He's a guy. He has a vestigial thingy so he's a guy. Call him Chelsie or Samantha all you want but he's a guy. You don't always get what you want. I can't be a zebra. He is just taking halloween way too seriously and wants to be a monster all year round. It's working.

[Wisconsin9]

False

So if you paint me with white and black stripes am I a zebra? I demand to be a zebra. I shall have my hands removed and put hooves on them and I shall join my zebra brethren on the Serengeti. And when I commit a crime you can't do shit because I'm a zebra.

He's a guy. He has a vestigial thingy so he's a guy. Call him Chelsie or Samantha all you want but he's a guy. You don't always get what you want. I can't be a zebra. He is just taking halloween way too seriously and wants to be a monster all year round. It's working.

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

[Ifreann]

Human rights and dignity is thrown out of the window if you are jailed, according to you?

Yup. Criminals are criminals and the only rights they deserve are right to privacy, right to food and water, right to clothing, and the right to a fair trial.
If they didn't want to go to a male prison, here's a good idea - WHY DID THEY COMMIT THE CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Getting in a fight down the pub is a proud British tradition.

[Hirota]

you don't know shit about the NHS

Yes I do. They're incompetent and can't do jackshit right.

It's not entirely relevant, and it's largely anecdotal, but my experience via my fiancee is that the NHS and the competence of their doctors can vary greatly from doctor to doctor. They'll have different methods of diagnosis, different experiences and different attitudes.

Like every working environment on the planet.

[The Patrimony of Saint Peter]

So if you paint me with white and black stripes am I a zebra? I demand to be a zebra. I shall have my hands removed and put hooves on them and I shall join my zebra brethren on the Serengeti. And when I commit a crime you can't do shit because I'm a zebra.

He's a guy. He has a vestigial thingy so he's a guy. Call him Chelsie or Samantha all you want but he's a guy. You don't always get what you want. I can't be a zebra. He is just taking halloween way too seriously and wants to be a monster all year round. It's working.

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

Which medical expert? Some mad scientist quack? I can go on google and pull up some other doctor who disagrees. I can also pull up crazies like Dr. Kevorkian. I can pull up Mengele. I bet you'd take my word over Mengele or Kevorkian.

[Serksis Federation]

Everyone is likely to be raped in a male prison, that should be changed for everyone not just in her case alone.

Oh for fuck's sake, take a look at that picture and tell me she isn't going to move straight to the top of everybody's list.

She isn't going to go to the top of everybody's list. Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

[Alyakia]

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

Which medical expert? Some mad scientist quack? I can go on google and pull up some other doctor who disagrees. I can also pull up crazies like Dr. Kevorkian. I can pull up Mengele. I bet you'd take my word over Mengele or Kevorkian.

show me a case of a person being born with human parts and zebra parts and i'll pretend to take your argument seriously until then please stop we've heard it 100 times before

[Ifreann]

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

Which medical expert? Some mad scientist quack? I can go on google and pull up some other doctor who disagrees. I can also pull up crazies like Dr. Kevorkian. I can pull up Mengele. I bet you'd take my word over Mengele or Kevorkian.

Probably not, actually. Evil bastards with medical degrees still have medical degrees. You're just some person on the internet.

[Alyakia]

Oh for fuck's sake, take a look at that picture and tell me she isn't going to move straight to the top of everybody's list.

She isn't going to go to the top of everybody's list. Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

are we seriously going to need to explain that most people are straight and only go for men in prisons because there are no women and that yes someone with tits will become the prime target

[Kannibal Kitties]

I thought the real problem was making distinctions between gender in the first place. End the fascistic practice of all-male prisons!

And then let the rapes begin.

[Wisconsin9]

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

Which medical expert? Some mad scientist quack? I can go on google and pull up some other doctor who disagrees. I can also pull up crazies like Dr. Kevorkian. I can pull up Mengele. I bet you'd take my word over Mengele or Kevorkian.

Mengele died decades ago, without a lot of the information on the subject that's available today, and Kevorkian was about assisted suicide (which I have no problem with, but that's a discussion for another thread).

[Geanna]

So if she has to go to the men's prison because her passport says "Male" on it, what would happen if she didn't have a passport?

Glory to Artstozka

Though in reality, if something happens, I expect them to be accountable for putting her in danger.

[Serksis Federation]

She isn't going to go to the top of everybody's list. Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

are we seriously going to need to explain that most people are straight and only go for men in prisons because there are no women and that yes someone with tits will become the prime target

Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

[Alyakia]

are we seriously going to need to explain that most people are straight and only go for men in prisons because there are no women and that yes someone with tits will become the prime target

Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

if only there was an entire prison for people that were at risk for this exact reason

[Wisconsin9]

So if she has to go to the men's prison because her passport says "Male" on it, what would happen if she didn't have a passport?

Glory to Artstozka

Though in reality, if something happens, I expect them to be accountable for putting her in danger.

well clearly you go into jail wearing fake tits you were asking for it *nods vigorously*

[Wallenburg]

This is total bullshit. They aren't even doing a good job pretending that they aren't persecuting her for being transgender.

[Hirota]

Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

Solitary is typically used for both people who are a risk to others, and who are at risk from others.

Comparing her (or other potential victims of prison violence) to someone who has tried to shiv a fellow inmate isn't a constructive approach.

[Ifreann]

Also inmates can be put in cells alone away from others if they are at risk themselves.

if only there was an entire prison for people that were at risk for this exact reason

You and your crazy ideas.

[Kanaria]

I thought the real problem was making distinctions between gender in the first place. End the fascistic practice of all-male prisons!

And then let the rapes begin.

Now we keep 'em in jail for 5000 times longer.

[The United Countries of America]

False

So if you paint me with white and black stripes am I a zebra? I demand to be a zebra. I shall have my hands removed and put hooves on them and I shall join my zebra brethren on the Serengeti. And when I commit a crime you can't do shit because I'm a zebra.

He's a guy. He has a vestigial thingy so he's a guy. Call him Chelsie or Samantha all you want but he's a guy. You don't always get what you want. I can't be a zebra. He is just taking halloween way too seriously and wants to be a monster all year round. It's working.

Are you a doctor? Do you have the training necessary to determine if a person is male or female?

Again, why should we take your word over that of a medical expert?

Which medical expert? Some mad scientist quack? I can go on google and pull up some other doctor who disagrees. I can also pull up crazies like Dr. Kevorkian. I can pull up Mengele. I bet you'd take my word over Mengele or Kevorkian.

Most likely, no. At least Mengele had an actual doctors degree, despite him being a Nazi. You are just a random person with an inflated ego.

[Wisconsin9]

And then let the rapes begin.

Now we keep 'em in jail for 5000 times longer.

Yes, I'm sure punitive action will make up for the entirely preventable trauma.