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by Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:51 pm
by Xmara » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:21 pm
by Kowani » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:41 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:43 am
Kowani wrote:Fahran wrote:A Muslim-majority France is somewhat probable in the next half century. We should expect French culture to change accordingly, especially in the absence of more robust assimilation efforts. Beyond that, while most French Muslims are probably better assimilated than British or German Muslims, we can expect for Islamist terrorism to remain a serious problem until the social conditions and ideological motivations are properly addressed.
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Okay. I've been avoiding this thread because holy fuck I hate this topic, but unfortunately, I respect you too much to let this bullshit stand. as a side note for the future, please stop reading the Washington Times, they're just...bad
Like the last time I did this, Comments in red.Within 40 years, given current demographic trends, the white population in France and the rest of old Europe will recede, creating a Muslim majority, a French researcher says.
Charles Gave, an economist, fund manager and political commentator, And immediately in the first sentence, it all becomes clear why this is being published and who the target audience is.
published his conclusions this month on the webpage of his think tank, Institute des Libertes.So, I looked at the original paper (available here for anyone who wants to see) and he doesn't do any calculations. He just guesses. That's a quote, by the way: (translated) "In fact, and if I take my guesses, the tipping point will occur after thirty to forty years." You couldn't pay me to fail this hard No wonder he published it in a "think" tank, this shit would get you laughed out of academia forever. And then his "evidence" is literally all anecdotal. (translated) "Living for part of the year in the Avignon region and frequently going for professional reasons to Roubaix, Toulouse or the east of Paris, I find it hard to believe that we are not already 10% citizens of Muslim origin, and that this 10% would have a fertility per woman of only 1.4." This is actually pathetic.
He writes of the “disappearance of the European populations” as native populations shrink and Muslims continue to exhibit a robust fertility rate.
Mr. Gave, president of Gavekal Research, acknowledges that his decidedly unpolitically correct view may bring him scorn and possibly censorship. Holy shit this is actually Great Replacement nonsense.
The political left generally protects Islam from criticism. In the U.S., President Obama consistently defended Islam and mocked Christians for their criticism.This is not relevant, nor am I sure if it is true
The paper, titled “The White Plague,” is dangerous, Mr. Gave said, “for my personal respectability and my chance to be heard in our beautiful democracy.”No, it's because he's a hedge fund manager who wants to convince low income whites that all their problems are caused by the "dangerous other'
The financier draws his conclusion from demographics. He assesses France‘s white, or native, birthrate at 1.4 children per woman, compared with a Muslim rate of 3.4 to 4 children. France‘s population today is 67 million. Unlike the U.S., France does not conduct a census on ethnic origin, but based on outside polling, some researchers, including Mr. Gave, believe the French population is already 10 percent Muslim, with 6.7 million people.None of which were cited
France‘s official birthrate is 1.9 per woman, but Mr. Gave‘s calculations put the native rate at 1.4. Overall, the European birthrate is a low 1.6 per woman.By "calculations", it should be understood that it is all anecdotal evidence
Mr. Gave extrapolates those numbers, a declining white population and a growing Muslim population, and concludes that France will have a Muslim majority by 2057. He literally guessed. He admitted it in the paper
“And so, within 40 years at the latest, it is almost certain that the majority of the population will be Muslim in Austria, Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Holland,” he writes. “Again, these are not predictions but calculations, and I do not even call for new immigrants.”Yeah, he didn't even guess here, it was literally just plucked out of thin air.
The pace could be accelerated given continuing Muslim migration into France and other Western European states, either through regular legal processes or through refugees escaping conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa.
“Our summer will be really over the day when demographics will change, simply because we will have become a minority in our own countries and the majority will no longer pay attention to 68-year-old jeremiads, all of whose authors will be retired or dead,” he wrote. This is unironic Great Replacement shit oh my god
“The immense news of the next 30 or 40 years will thus be the disappearance of the European populations, whose ancestors have created the modern world. And with these populations will disappear the diverse and complementary European nations that have made an immense success of the old continent for at least five centuries.” No. No they would not.
The Gatestone Institute, a conservative foreign policy think tank, analyzed Mr. Gave‘spaperbullshit and did not agree with all of it. Analyst Drieu Godefridi forecasts that the native French population will not disappear or lose its prominence in the space of four decades.
“It will take more than 40 years for them to vanish from the surface of the earth,” Mr. Godefridi said.finally, some fucking sense
Another problem with Mr. Gave‘s projections is uncertainty: What Islam in Europe will look like in 40 years is difficult to predict.
“Only two or three generations ago, tens of millions of Europeans knelt several times a week in churches to show their adoration of Jesus Christ,” Mr. Godefridi said. “Forty years after this religious fervor, almost nothing remains. What we have instead is the well-known phenomenon of ‘dechristianization,’ which has engulfed the whole of Europe.”Logic? From a WT piece? I'm shocked
Across Europe, there are signs of the coming Muslim majority. Muslims make up nearly 50 percent of primary school children in the Belgian port city of Antwerp. A quarter of Brussels’ 1 million population is of Muslim origin. As we all know, Antwerp and Brussels are the entire population of their respective countries.
The Daily Mail, citing the Office of National Statistics, reported that the most popular boy’s name in Britain in 2015 was Mohammed or its variant spellings.Outdated, no longer true.
The Christian Broadcasting Network’s Dale Hurd in 2012 took his cameras inside Belgium’s Muslim strongholds to interview the leader of a small but growing militant group, Sharia4Belgium.
“Democracy is the opposite of Shariah and Islam,” said Belgium-born Fouad Belkacem, referring to his hometown of Antwerp as a “dirty perverted community.”
“Even disbelievers themselves, they say in 2030 there will be majority Muslims here. It’s just a matter of time.”
Three years after the interview, Belkacem was convicted on charges of grooming terrorists to travel to the Islamic State in Syria. A court sentenced him to 12 years in prison.
France is in the throes of a particularly dicey time for the government and its Muslim population. The Nov. 13, 2015, Paris attacks led to a suspension of some individual rights under a national state of emergency. Subsequently, authorities raided suspected radical Muslim enclaves to break up budding attacks. none of this is relevant, its just blatant fearmongering
The emergency decree is scheduled to end in November.
Public officials and scholars talk of “no-go zones,” especially the “banlieues,” the band of predominately Muslim neighborhoods around Paris that stand isolated from traditional French life. French officials deny there are any such zones where police do not patrol. Nobody actually believes this is a thing outside of the most reactionary echo chambers. (As a side note, as a French speaker, a "banlieu" is literally just a suburb
Mr. Gave‘s numbers also conflict with Pew Research polling in 2010. It put the Muslim birthrate at 2.8 children per woman, not 3.4 to 4 children, and did not project an increase.
In 2010, seven years ago, Pew pegged France‘s Muslim population at 7.5 percent. Researchers take that number, look at the Muslim birthrate and constant migration, and conclude that the population now must be at least 10 percent.
Pew does not project a Muslim majority in the European Union anytime soon. Ah, trying to discredit Pew. Very clever, WT.
Ran...I'm actually kinda disappointed in you.
by Kowani » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:48 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Kowani wrote:Okay. I've been avoiding this thread because holy fuck I hate this topic, but unfortunately, I respect you too much to let this bullshit stand. as a side note for the future, please stop reading the Washington Times, they're just...bad
Like the last time I did this, Comments in red.Within 40 years, given current demographic trends, the white population in France and the rest of old Europe will recede, creating a Muslim majority, a French researcher says.
Charles Gave, an economist, fund manager and political commentator, And immediately in the first sentence, it all becomes clear why this is being published and who the target audience is.
published his conclusions this month on the webpage of his think tank, Institute des Libertes.So, I looked at the original paper (available here for anyone who wants to see) and he doesn't do any calculations. He just guesses. That's a quote, by the way: (translated) "In fact, and if I take my guesses, the tipping point will occur after thirty to forty years." You couldn't pay me to fail this hard No wonder he published it in a "think" tank, this shit would get you laughed out of academia forever. And then his "evidence" is literally all anecdotal. (translated) "Living for part of the year in the Avignon region and frequently going for professional reasons to Roubaix, Toulouse or the east of Paris, I find it hard to believe that we are not already 10% citizens of Muslim origin, and that this 10% would have a fertility per woman of only 1.4." This is actually pathetic.
He writes of the “disappearance of the European populations” as native populations shrink and Muslims continue to exhibit a robust fertility rate.
Mr. Gave, president of Gavekal Research, acknowledges that his decidedly unpolitically correct view may bring him scorn and possibly censorship. Holy shit this is actually Great Replacement nonsense.
The political left generally protects Islam from criticism. In the U.S., President Obama consistently defended Islam and mocked Christians for their criticism.This is not relevant, nor am I sure if it is true
The paper, titled “The White Plague,” is dangerous, Mr. Gave said, “for my personal respectability and my chance to be heard in our beautiful democracy.”No, it's because he's a hedge fund manager who wants to convince low income whites that all their problems are caused by the "dangerous other'
The financier draws his conclusion from demographics. He assesses France‘s white, or native, birthrate at 1.4 children per woman, compared with a Muslim rate of 3.4 to 4 children. France‘s population today is 67 million. Unlike the U.S., France does not conduct a census on ethnic origin, but based on outside polling, some researchers, including Mr. Gave, believe the French population is already 10 percent Muslim, with 6.7 million people.None of which were cited
France‘s official birthrate is 1.9 per woman, but Mr. Gave‘s calculations put the native rate at 1.4. Overall, the European birthrate is a low 1.6 per woman.By "calculations", it should be understood that it is all anecdotal evidence
Mr. Gave extrapolates those numbers, a declining white population and a growing Muslim population, and concludes that France will have a Muslim majority by 2057. He literally guessed. He admitted it in the paper
“And so, within 40 years at the latest, it is almost certain that the majority of the population will be Muslim in Austria, Germany, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Holland,” he writes. “Again, these are not predictions but calculations, and I do not even call for new immigrants.”Yeah, he didn't even guess here, it was literally just plucked out of thin air.
The pace could be accelerated given continuing Muslim migration into France and other Western European states, either through regular legal processes or through refugees escaping conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa.
“Our summer will be really over the day when demographics will change, simply because we will have become a minority in our own countries and the majority will no longer pay attention to 68-year-old jeremiads, all of whose authors will be retired or dead,” he wrote. This is unironic Great Replacement shit oh my god
“The immense news of the next 30 or 40 years will thus be the disappearance of the European populations, whose ancestors have created the modern world. And with these populations will disappear the diverse and complementary European nations that have made an immense success of the old continent for at least five centuries.” No. No they would not.
The Gatestone Institute, a conservative foreign policy think tank, analyzed Mr. Gave‘spaperbullshit and did not agree with all of it. Analyst Drieu Godefridi forecasts that the native French population will not disappear or lose its prominence in the space of four decades.
“It will take more than 40 years for them to vanish from the surface of the earth,” Mr. Godefridi said.finally, some fucking sense
Another problem with Mr. Gave‘s projections is uncertainty: What Islam in Europe will look like in 40 years is difficult to predict.
“Only two or three generations ago, tens of millions of Europeans knelt several times a week in churches to show their adoration of Jesus Christ,” Mr. Godefridi said. “Forty years after this religious fervor, almost nothing remains. What we have instead is the well-known phenomenon of ‘dechristianization,’ which has engulfed the whole of Europe.”Logic? From a WT piece? I'm shocked
Across Europe, there are signs of the coming Muslim majority. Muslims make up nearly 50 percent of primary school children in the Belgian port city of Antwerp. A quarter of Brussels’ 1 million population is of Muslim origin. As we all know, Antwerp and Brussels are the entire population of their respective countries.
The Daily Mail, citing the Office of National Statistics, reported that the most popular boy’s name in Britain in 2015 was Mohammed or its variant spellings.Outdated, no longer true.
The Christian Broadcasting Network’s Dale Hurd in 2012 took his cameras inside Belgium’s Muslim strongholds to interview the leader of a small but growing militant group, Sharia4Belgium.
“Democracy is the opposite of Shariah and Islam,” said Belgium-born Fouad Belkacem, referring to his hometown of Antwerp as a “dirty perverted community.”
“Even disbelievers themselves, they say in 2030 there will be majority Muslims here. It’s just a matter of time.”
Three years after the interview, Belkacem was convicted on charges of grooming terrorists to travel to the Islamic State in Syria. A court sentenced him to 12 years in prison.
France is in the throes of a particularly dicey time for the government and its Muslim population. The Nov. 13, 2015, Paris attacks led to a suspension of some individual rights under a national state of emergency. Subsequently, authorities raided suspected radical Muslim enclaves to break up budding attacks. none of this is relevant, its just blatant fearmongering
The emergency decree is scheduled to end in November.
Public officials and scholars talk of “no-go zones,” especially the “banlieues,” the band of predominately Muslim neighborhoods around Paris that stand isolated from traditional French life. French officials deny there are any such zones where police do not patrol. Nobody actually believes this is a thing outside of the most reactionary echo chambers. (As a side note, as a French speaker, a "banlieu" is literally just a suburb
Mr. Gave‘s numbers also conflict with Pew Research polling in 2010. It put the Muslim birthrate at 2.8 children per woman, not 3.4 to 4 children, and did not project an increase.
In 2010, seven years ago, Pew pegged France‘s Muslim population at 7.5 percent. Researchers take that number, look at the Muslim birthrate and constant migration, and conclude that the population now must be at least 10 percent.
Pew does not project a Muslim majority in the European Union anytime soon. Ah, trying to discredit Pew. Very clever, WT.
Ran...I'm actually kinda disappointed in you.
Complete and utter dismantling of a bullshit article
by Tranzoria » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:39 pm
Farnhamia wrote:The Two Jerseys wrote:Half the states are pissed that one small corner of the state controls the entire state government, do you really think that these people would want to be ruled all the way from Brussels?
As long as they don't have to eat the Sprouts of Brussels, I don't see a problem.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:44 pm
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by The New California Republic » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:47 am
The Free Joy State wrote:I'm now picturing Michael Gove and Theresa May rolling his hamster ball back and forth, and Johnson crying out, "Guys... Come on! I need to get to Downing Street. Oh, come on! I'll tell Sir Lindsay Hoyle!"
by Farnhamia » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:08 pm
SD_Film Artists wrote:I thought I'd use this safe space to open up about my habit. It started out as a bit of a gimmick, a laugh when out with friends to "go hawaiian". "I bet you £20 you can't eat a pizza with some pineapple on it". But sooner or later I started to actually like it. I'd then order a pizza- innocently enough with just cheese & tomato- from the local pizza place and then when I got home I'd intentionally put pinapple onto the pizza. Please don't judge me on this as we all have difficult times in our lives and make risky decisions. I'm starting to recover on this journey and I think I'm clear for the moment, but every now and then I get tempted to open up a tin of pineapple again and give in to the temptation. It's hard but I'm celebrating my 20th day without pineapple.
by Byzconia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:22 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Greater Miami Shores wrote:If there has not been any vote fraud by the Democrats, no problems, just ignore them, problem solved. You guys on the left never believe anything us right wingers say anyway, you all dismiss anything we say as wrong based on Facts, and this is a Fact, lol. GMS.
Its not a fact. The fact is you spent the last four years supporting a president who made racism, violence, division and fear popular again in the US. This is the same guy who knew covid was deadly back in February but did fuck all to stop it and let people die. And after on election night you conceded that Biden won, you then went back on what you said because Trump told you "it was rigged" without evidence. And you believed him without evidence, just like you did with every other claim hes ever made, while disbelieving actual evidence provided by "liberal left wing" people, like how you do whenever you say "Donald Trump didn't mess up on covid" and I provide you like 20 different articles about how Trump basically made herd immunity the law of the land. We don't believe you a good 99% of the time because Trumpism as a movement is based on lies. Always was, always will be.
by Tinhampton » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:30 am
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:OOC: Why does clause 4 reference clause 2? Would it not make more sense for clause 4 to reference the restrictions of clause 3?
Also, clause two currently readswhich seems nonsensical to me and in any instance repeats the phrase often enough that Limp Bizkit is writing a sequel to the "Hot Dog Song" about it."materials that cause as little environmental damage as possible for the physical stage of land reclamation that cause as little environmental damage as possible for as little environmental damage as possible, "
Kyorgia wrote:A Bloodred Moon wrote:
Okay, why is that notable? 263 isn't all that much by today's standards, and I personally have hardly ever heard of Canterlot. Tagging is both next to harmless and easy to do.
wow how dare youA Bloodred Moon wrote: In fact, all the arguments presented in the repeal address practically anything present in this draft. Coding garish WFEs is not particularly condemnable, and Canterlot's activities were all tag raids from what I can gather. Again, neither harmful nor particularly impressive.
I would argue Condemn Canterlot was the last good condemn actually and Tim acting on behalf of the gameplay elites repealed it. Condemn Canterlot was written by a native rather than someone well known within gameplay. This makes the condemnation more authentic rather than just another well done pat on the back between friends.
by Punished UMN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:46 pm
by The Huskar Social Union » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:56 am
New haven america wrote:Ahsoka didn't get kicked out, she quit after the council (Excluding Obi-Wan who disagreed with them labeling her the main perpetrator at the very start) decided the whole fiasco was actually her test to be a Jedi Knight in order to save their asses and clear their egotistical conscious.
You'd know that if you actually watched season 5, but I understand as it might not have enough assault directed towards the blind.
by Kowani » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:51 pm
by Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:11 pm
by Tinhampton » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:01 am
Devi wrote:Penguin Dictators wrote:Wintreath and 10KI are ally regions, so the delegate is following 10KI on this regardless of any others of us on the cabinet that may have chosen to vote For.
just for clarity, are we saying that wintreath's wa vote is being determined by xki, rather than its own government and citizens?
by Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
So we can say it was the all to human desire to sit on our lazy fat asses and not go out to work is the most important reason that has lead to the rise of civilization and therefore human history.
That and one other thing....In addition, the oldest known evidence of beer, dating to approximately 13,000 BP, was found at the Raqefet Cave in Mount Carmel near Haifa in Israel
So it was to sit on our lazy fat arses,* not go out to work, and drink beer.
*I have to insist on the British spelling here to avoid a misunderstanding over sitting on a fat Equus africanus asinus.
by The Unified Missourtama States » Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:31 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:Every post in General is an attempt to rile someone up. That's the nature of discussion threads.
by Tinhampton » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:41 am
by Senkaku » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:25 pm
Nilokeras wrote:This extensive side excursion by the entire thread into a specific poster's views reminds me of that line from Camus: 'one must imagine Sisyphus posting, forever'.
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