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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:00 pm

Qanchia wrote:
Galloism wrote:However, the ban on religious clothing doesn't apply to all religions. That ban was put in place with Islam specifically in mind.

In France, it applies to all religions. Like the other poster noted, I think you are confusing France's application of the ban with that of the US (if any).


What other religions have covering the face as a part of the teachings?

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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:06 pm

Gauthier wrote:Next, Muslim students have to wear yellow crescents.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:07 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Next, Muslim students have to wear yellow crescents.


No that doesn't follow

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Postby Sun Wukong » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:08 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:


No that doesn't follow

I happen to agree, but I'm reconsidering that now that you said it.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:10 pm



Meh. Still gonna eat meat.
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Postby Councilmembers » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:18 pm

The social right-wing in western countries, from Trump supporters in the United States to cultural militarists in the EU, stands against progress and empathy for other groups of people. We need to make sure all can live happily in society, free from unneeded prejudice.

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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:21 pm

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Meh. Still gonna eat meat.

yeah but who's >.>
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:22 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Meh. Still gonna eat meat.

yeah but who's >.>


:rofl:
I dunno... whose offering :P
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:25 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:yeah but who's >.>


:rofl:
I dunno... whose offering :P

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Postby Valystria » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:30 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Next, Muslim students have to wear yellow crescents.

If you're going to try the slippery slope fallacy at least make it somewhat believable.

Sun Wukong wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
No that doesn't follow

I happen to agree, but I'm reconsidering that now that you said it.

Why?

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Postby Olerand » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:31 pm

Councilmembers wrote:The social right-wing in western countries, from Trump supporters in the United States to cultural militarists in the EU, stands against progress and empathy for other groups of people. We need to make sure all can live happily in society, free from unneeded prejudice.

Beautiful.

Now, I would suggest you, and fellow liberals, preach your message in the Middle East, events show they need you more than we do.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:32 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
:rofl:
I dunno... whose offering :P

Hey babe 8)


Alright pay up first :P
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Postby Olerand » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:34 pm

Galloism wrote:
Olerand wrote:And as you have correctly stated, the Court whose job it is to defend the European Convention on Human Rights judged the ban acceptable. So the issue is moot.

Determining, consequently, that facial coverings are not an integral and protected part of freedom of religion. Problem solved.

Problem exacerbated, not solved. Now women who feel devoutly on that can't leave their homes.

The issue is not moot - court decisions are reversible. At one point in the US, it was legal for students to be compelled to pledge allegiance to our flag. Our highest court confirmed it.

A few years later, SCOTUS reversed itself. For the cause of freedom, I hope the ECHR does so - sooner rather than later. Government endorsed bigotry should be killed.

Not our problem. Easiest solution, take off the niqab, or cross the Channel.

As for the ECHR reversing its ruling, there is no indication of that occurring any time in the foreseeable future; and with the way European politics are going today, pan-European institutions should fight for their continued survival, more so than dictating that the religious obligation that women cover themselves entirely lest they entice lust in men is a fundamental human right.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:38 pm

Olerand wrote:
Galloism wrote:Problem exacerbated, not solved. Now women who feel devoutly on that can't leave their homes.

The issue is not moot - court decisions are reversible. At one point in the US, it was legal for students to be compelled to pledge allegiance to our flag. Our highest court confirmed it.

A few years later, SCOTUS reversed itself. For the cause of freedom, I hope the ECHR does so - sooner rather than later. Government endorsed bigotry should be killed.

Not our problem. Easiest solution, take off the niqab, or cross the Channel.

As for the ECHR reversing its ruling, there is no indication of that occurring any time in the foreseeable future; and with the way European politics are going today, pan-European institutions should fight for their continued survival, more so than dictating that the religious obligation that women cover themselves entirely lest they entice lust in men is a fundamental human right.


Didn't we have a pretty nasty disagreement in Europe about the right to practise religion about 70 years ago? I think we did.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:39 pm

Olerand wrote:
Galloism wrote:Problem exacerbated, not solved. Now women who feel devoutly on that can't leave their homes.

The issue is not moot - court decisions are reversible. At one point in the US, it was legal for students to be compelled to pledge allegiance to our flag. Our highest court confirmed it.

A few years later, SCOTUS reversed itself. For the cause of freedom, I hope the ECHR does so - sooner rather than later. Government endorsed bigotry should be killed.

Not our problem. Easiest solution, take off the niqab, or cross the Channel.

As for the ECHR reversing its ruling, there is no indication of that occurring any time in the foreseeable future; and with the way European politics are going today, pan-European institutions should fight for their continued survival, more so than dictating that the religious obligation that women cover themselves entirely lest they entice lust in men is a fundamental human right.


Honestly though, how is refusing to serve a non-pork meal a good thing? Seems like senseless provocation that achieves little to nothing to me.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:41 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Olerand wrote:Not our problem. Easiest solution, take off the niqab, or cross the Channel.

As for the ECHR reversing its ruling, there is no indication of that occurring any time in the foreseeable future; and with the way European politics are going today, pan-European institutions should fight for their continued survival, more so than dictating that the religious obligation that women cover themselves entirely lest they entice lust in men is a fundamental human right.


Honestly though, how is refusing to serve a non-pork meal a good thing? Seems like senseless provocation that achieves little to nothing to me.

And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Valystria » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:41 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Honestly though, how is refusing to serve a non-pork meal a good thing? Seems like senseless provocation that achieves little to nothing to me.

And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.


Why should religions get special treatment?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:42 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.


Why should religions get special treatment?


Veggies and vegan are religious groups now?

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Postby Valystria » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:43 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Why should religions get special treatment?


Veggies and vegan are religious groups now?


The Jews part.

If you want to argue for vegetarian options, do so out of of secular reasoning and not religious.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:43 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Honestly though, how is refusing to serve a non-pork meal a good thing? Seems like senseless provocation that achieves little to nothing to me.

And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.


Where's Liberté, Egalité, and Fraternité? Oh wait, I forgot: that only applies to native-born French-persons.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:43 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.


Why should religions get special treatment?


Because freedom to practice (or not practice) your religion is an essential human right.
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Postby Crezilivion » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:44 pm

To me them doing this looks like they're just trying to piss the Muslims off. They could just bring lunch if they didn't like the food though, that's what I always did. However, the school wasn't even competent enough to create an accurate lunch menu so no one ever knew what was for lunch. If any of those schools had a lunch mix up then some of those kids might not get to eat that day or they'd end up eating it and then the parents would get angry. Of course, if we didn't have public schools in the first place we wouldn't have this problem. I think that's the root of the problem.
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:44 pm

Councilmembers wrote:The social right-wing in western countries, from Trump supporters in the United States to cultural militarists in the EU, stands against progress and empathy for other groups of people. We need to make sure all can live happily in society, free from unneeded prejudice.

It's only for certain days that they eat pork only.

Most days of the week they carry on as normal.
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Postby Valystria » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:And what about the veggies and vegans? Don't forget the Jews. Really this crap just shows France's increasing xenophobia, with little regard for collateral.


Where's Liberté, Egalité, and Fraternité? Oh wait, I forgot: that only applies to native-born French-persons.

You don't seem to understand no one is being forced to eat pork.

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Why should religions get special treatment?


Because freedom to practice (or not practice) your religion is an essential human right.

And they are allowed to practice or not practice it. No one is forcing them to eat pork.

The republic has no obligation to structure school meals around faith-based dietary preferences.

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