Does The NRA Represent Sane Gun Owners Anymore?

[The Black Forrest]

I have just told you: they are dangerous.

In the hands of people who either 1) are malicious or 2) don't know what they are doing
Licensed concealed carriers generally fit neither category.

People keep saying that and then somebody like this happens:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... e-charges/

[Imperializt Russia]

You are legally allowed to use a gun or anything you can take into your possession to defend yourself when your life is at stake — at law that right is not connected to gun ownership. You just need to chuck the gun away once you're done with it.

How in the fuck do you expect that to work? It's not like you can just go buy a gun when your life is in danger.

It's like living in almost every country that isn't America, how awful.

[Infected Mushroom]

the only reasonable interpretation of the Second Amendment, given what it says at face value and given the non-use of so-called ''prefatory language'' in the surrounding Amendments make it clear the only responsible interpretation of the Amendment was a narrow and contextual one giving due respect to each and every word in the actual text

this is not the route the SC chose to go

I think I'd trust the decision of someone whose JOB it is to interpret US law, than some Canadian with an agenda.

so appeal to authority?

I see...

[Themiclesia]

I think I'd trust the decision of someone whose JOB it is to interpret US law, than some Canadian with an agenda.

so appeal to authority?

I see...

"Agenda" is a plural noun.

[Galloism]

I think I'd trust the decision of someone whose JOB it is to interpret US law, than some Canadian with an agenda.

so appeal to authority?

I see...

Better than your assertion that the founding fathers are so stupid they can't do grammar.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think I'd trust the decision of someone whose JOB it is to interpret US law, than some Canadian with an agenda.

so appeal to authority?

I see...

Like all fallacies, appeal to authority is only fallacious in certain circumstances.

"I have a law degree so there!" or "my friend is a lawyer and says this so there!" are both fallacious arguments because you are shutting down the opposition by claiming to have authority that you may not and that cannot be verified. It's at least a relatively childish way of putting forwards an argument.
Demonstrating you do have an authority in a topic makes such arguments inherently less fallacious and "the job of the supreme court is to interpret the US Constitution so I'll take their interpretation over yours" is less fallacious still, since that's not the poster's argument.
That's simply quoting, in a roundabout way, the mission statement of the SCOTUS.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

As staunch a supporter of gun rights as I am, the NRA is kind of stupid, yeah.

[The Novakian Empire]

I have just told you: they are dangerous.

No, when used properly they are not.

..Aren't guns supposed to kill when used properly?

[Imperializt Russia]

No, when used properly they are not.

..Aren't guns supposed to kill when used properly?

Depends on what you consider "proper use", which apparently doesn't include "sporting use" meaning that the overwhelmingly incalculable majority of firearms in the US are "improperly used" at best.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I think I'd trust the decision of someone whose JOB it is to interpret US law, than some Canadian with an agenda.

so appeal to authority?

I see...

More like a rejection of falsity. *shrugs*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, when used properly they are not.

..Aren't guns supposed to kill when used properly?

Depends on the context in which they're used. For many Americans, their guns aren't used to kill anything at all, unless you count inanimate targets; apart from that, it'd mostly be animals.

Point being, a properly handled firearm shouldn't be a danger to any human in any regular circumstance.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And you've given no valid reason why weapons should be disallowed under most contexts.

I have just told you: they are dangerous.

So are cars. And gymnastics. And kitchen knives. And McDonald's burgers.

Life is fucking dangerous. Get over it. Mentally capable adults should be able to handle basic danger like responsible human beings without some nanny state hanging over their head.

[Fartsniffage]

..Aren't guns supposed to kill when used properly?

Depends on what you consider "proper use", which apparently doesn't include "sporting use" meaning that the overwhelmingly incalculable majority of firearms in the US are "improperly used" at best.

All firearms are dangerous. If the weren't then why is the basic training for safe handling so replete with warnings about always pointing in a safe direction and checking to make sure the breech is clear? Guns are dangerous, it's literally the point of them.

[Imperializt Russia]

Depends on what you consider "proper use", which apparently doesn't include "sporting use" meaning that the overwhelmingly incalculable majority of firearms in the US are "improperly used" at best.

All firearms are dangerous. If the weren't then why is the basic training for safe handling so replete with warnings about always pointing in a safe direction and checking to make sure the breech is clear? Guns are dangerous, it's literally the point of them.

"Aren't guns dangerous?" wasn't the question asked though.

[Themiclesia]

I have just told you: they are dangerous.

So are cars. And gymnastics. And kitchen knives. And McDonald's burgers.

Life is fucking dangerous. Get over it. Mentally capable adults should be able to handle basic danger like responsible human beings without some nanny state hanging over their head.

I don't see why there shouldn't be a nanny state, especially when guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. Any error associated with it could be fatal, and that is too great a price to pay for an empty sense of freedom.

[Gauthier]

In the hands of people who either 1) are malicious or 2) don't know what they are doing
Licensed concealed carriers generally fit neither category.

People keep saying that and then somebody like this happens:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... e-charges/

Or this:

Albuquerque road rage shooter faces list of charges, has long criminal history

The douchebag who just shot and killed a 4-year old girl in New Mexico over road rage has a long criminal history. According to gun fetishists that should disqualify him from owning a gun in the first place, yet for some reason none of the charges being pressed on him involves illegal possession of a firearm.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So are cars. And gymnastics. And kitchen knives. And McDonald's burgers.

Life is fucking dangerous. Get over it. Mentally capable adults should be able to handle basic danger like responsible human beings without some nanny state hanging over their head.

I don't see why there shouldn't be a nanny state, especially when guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. Any error associated with it could be fatal, and that is too great a price to pay for an empty sense of freedom.

Some of us don't like being treated like toddlers.

[Galloism]

People keep saying that and then somebody like this happens:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... e-charges/

Or this:

Albuquerque road rage shooter faces list of charges, has long criminal history

The douchebag who just shot and killed a 4-year old girl in New Mexico over road rage has a long criminal history. According to gun fetishists that should disqualify him from owning a gun in the first place, yet for some reason none of the charges being pressed on him involves illegal possession of a firearm.

Hmm, a bunch of arrests, but no mention of convictions. curious....

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't see why there shouldn't be a nanny state, especially when guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. Any error associated with it could be fatal, and that is too great a price to pay for an empty sense of freedom.

Because everything is dangerous in the wrong hands. Life is dangerous whether you're responsible or not.


Maybe it's just my edgy rebellious ways, but I feel like your average adult is capable of making their own life choices.

[Gauthier]

Or this:

Albuquerque road rage shooter faces list of charges, has long criminal history

The douchebag who just shot and killed a 4-year old girl in New Mexico over road rage has a long criminal history. According to gun fetishists that should disqualify him from owning a gun in the first place, yet for some reason none of the charges being pressed on him involves illegal possession of a firearm.

Hmm, a bunch of arrests, but no mention of convictions. curious....

The fucker has a history of arrests for child abuse and domestic violence. Isn't domestic violence supposed to be another disqualifier from owning a gun?

[Galloism]

Hmm, a bunch of arrests, but no mention of convictions. curious....

The fucker has a history of arrests for child abuse and domestic violence. Isn't domestic violence supposed to be another disqualifier from owning a gun?

If there's a conviction, generally I would think so, but they don't mention convictions.

[Gauthier]

The fucker has a history of arrests for child abuse and domestic violence. Isn't domestic violence supposed to be another disqualifier from owning a gun?

If there's a conviction, generally I would think so, but they don't mention convictions.

And since he's not being charged with illegal possession as part of shooting the girl dead, I can only come to the conclusion that he was never convicted of all those arrests. Responsible Gun Owner by technicality.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If there's a conviction, generally I would think so, but they don't mention convictions.

And since he's not being charged with illegal possession as part of shooting the girl dead, I can only come to the conclusion that he was never convicted of all those arrests. Responsible Gun Owner by technicality.

Do you go out of your way to post stupid shit or does it just happen naturally?

[Galloism]

If there's a conviction, generally I would think so, but they don't mention convictions.

And since he's not being charged with illegal possession as part of shooting the girl dead, I can only come to the conclusion that he was never convicted of all those arrests. Responsible Gun Owner by technicality.

We tend not to punish people for crimes for which they are not convicted.

You know, it's kind of the basis of our justice system - innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz.

[Gauthier]

And since he's not being charged with illegal possession as part of shooting the girl dead, I can only come to the conclusion that he was never convicted of all those arrests. Responsible Gun Owner by technicality.

Do you go out of your way to post stupid shit or does it just happen naturally?

Hey, isn't it a gun fetishist talking point that criminals would never be allowed to legally own guns?