The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[Settrah]

This verbal cues thing kind of gets to me. I feel like we're getting close to the point where you need to scream into someone's face "DO YOU CONSENT TO SEX?", and get some kind of written contract printed before you can have consensual sex.

But like Des Bal said, the verbal consent only really applies within the case of a prosecution of a sexual assault.

[Alvecia]

Eh. I mean it'll certainly help when alcohol is involved. And for people who aren't very good at social cues. Particularly if the social cues are rather subtle.
Seems like it could be put to quite good use.

[Esno-Calarin]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

[The Emerald Dawn]

Eh. I mean it'll certainly help when alcohol is involved. And for people who aren't very good at social cues. Particularly if the social cues are rather subtle.
Seems like it could be put to quite good use.

A well meaning law that could very easily turn into the current Title IX witch hunts happening in Colleges across America.

The "Dear Colleagues" letter meant well, I really believe that. The implementation has basically tossed any semblance of "balance" out the window.

Which feeds into the need for law enforcement involvement.

Which feeds into the need for better training of law enforcement.

Which feeds into the need for better oversight of funding of law enforcement.

Sticky wickets all the way down.

[Neutraligon]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

[Alvecia]

Eh. I mean it'll certainly help when alcohol is involved. And for people who aren't very good at social cues. Particularly if the social cues are rather subtle.
Seems like it could be put to quite good use.

A well meaning law that could very easily turn into the current Title IX witch hunts happening in Colleges across America.

The "Dear Colleagues" letter meant well, I really believe that. The implementation has basically tossed any semblance of "balance" out the window.

Which feeds into the need for law enforcement involvement.

Which feeds into the need for better training of law enforcement.

Which feeds into the need for better oversight of funding of law enforcement.

Sticky wickets all the way down.

I'm always kinda hesitant to just write laws willy nilly but I don't think encouragement of verbal confirmation is a bad idea

[Esno-Calarin]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

Mhm. Anita isn't the smartest.

Men are men. And some women like butts too. Butts are butts, deal with it.

[Neutraligon]

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

Mhm. Anita isn't the smartest.

Men are men. And some women like butts too. Butts are butts, deal with it.

I like butts, and she tends to blame men for their sexuality way too much (a problem with feminists like her).

[The Emerald Dawn]

A well meaning law that could very easily turn into the current Title IX witch hunts happening in Colleges across America.

The "Dear Colleagues" letter meant well, I really believe that. The implementation has basically tossed any semblance of "balance" out the window.

Which feeds into the need for law enforcement involvement.

Which feeds into the need for better training of law enforcement.

Which feeds into the need for better oversight of funding of law enforcement.

Sticky wickets all the way down.

I'm always kinda hesitant to just write laws willy nilly but I don't think encouragement of verbal confirmation is a bad idea

Encouragement is difficult to accomplish without enforcement. Enforcement means goals. Goals mean oversight. Oversight means legal standing.

It's a hell of an issue, and I hate that having a serious discussion about it is as hard as it is.

[Esno-Calarin]

Well said.

[The Grene Knyght]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

pretty sure this is what's called flaming. Try not to do it dude, we're here to engage in actual debate and discussion about a vast and global social movement.

[Galloism]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games. Because any game where the woman is the villain often has to weather criticism from feminists like Sarkeesian and such, while also getting criticized by conservative groups for... pretty much the same thing. Meanwhile, the damsel trope is coming back because at least that doesn't get them criticism from the conservative group, and you gotta put some women in there SOMEWHERE besides the gender choosable hero.

So... yeah.

[Esno-Calarin]

"OH IF THERE IS A NICE BUTT IN A VIDEO GAME IT IS OVRGENERALIZING WOMEN. I AM TRIGGERED!"

Feminism 2016

pretty sure this is what's called flaming. Try not to do it dude, we're here to engage in actual debate and discussion about a vast and global social movement.

I'm just stating my personal experience. Actual quote from someone i met at school.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games. Because any game where the woman is the villain often has to weather criticism from feminists like Sarkeesian and such, while also getting criticized by conservative groups for... pretty much the same thing. Meanwhile, the damsel trope is coming back because at least that doesn't get them criticism from the conservative group, and you gotta put some women in there SOMEWHERE besides the gender choosable hero.

So... yeah.

I'm still irritated that everyone flipped their lid about Tracer's pose.

She's the character I love to look at the most, darn it. Spunky/Sexy is best sexy.

[Conserative Morality]

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games.

I'd like to see stats on that. I remember the days when the party or villain team gender imbalance was often 2-1 or 3-1.

[The Grene Knyght]

pretty sure this is what's called flaming. Try not to do it dude, we're here to engage in actual debate and discussion about a vast and global social movement.

I'm just stating my personal experience. Actual quote from someone i met at school.

then try explaining. Give more context to your posts. The mods probably wouldn't have cared if someone reported you for this.

[Esno-Calarin]

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games. Because any game where the woman is the villain often has to weather criticism from feminists like Sarkeesian and such, while also getting criticized by conservative groups for... pretty much the same thing. Meanwhile, the damsel trope is coming back because at least that doesn't get them criticism from the conservative group, and you gotta put some women in there SOMEWHERE besides the gender choosable hero.

So... yeah.

I'm still irritated that everyone flipped their lid about Tracer's pose.

She's the character I love to look at the most, darn it. Spunky/Sexy is best sexy.

Tracer is.. wheres the leafy thing... you know the perfect hand sign emoji.. crap they don't have that.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm still irritated that everyone flipped their lid about Tracer's pose.

She's the character I love to look at the most, darn it. Spunky/Sexy is best sexy.

I'm still confused about that. The pose didn't seem that sexual, the pose they replaced it with quieted everyone but it looked just as sexualized, it wasn't a complaint about actual portrayal of the character, and all it really did was make Tracer's butt legendary.

God help them if these people ever find out what others have been up to with SFM.

[Galloism]

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games.

I'd like to see stats on that. I remember the days when the party or villain team gender imbalance was often 2-1 or 3-1.

I'm not saying it caused it. It's a preexisting thing.

Rather, the world has been trending towards more gender equality (not fast enough, given), but having to walk on eggshells with every female character while you can do any damn thing you want with a male character, and you're trying to tell an edgy story, what do you do?

[The Emerald Dawn]

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games.

I'd like to see stats on that. I remember the days when the party or villain team gender imbalance was often 2-1 or 3-1.

Part of that was because of the preponderance of single player games.

The number of true "SINGLE" player games has declined dramatically recently, due to multiplayer franchises exploding in popularity as internet connections improved.

Hardware is just as much to blame as software for characters changing from "developed" to "avatar".

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm still irritated that everyone flipped their lid about Tracer's pose.

She's the character I love to look at the most, darn it. Spunky/Sexy is best sexy.

I'm still confused about that. The pose didn't seem that sexual, the pose they replaced it with quieted everyone but it looked just as sexualized, it wasn't a complaint about actual portrayal of the character, and all it really did was make Tracer's butt legendary.

God help them if these people ever find out what others have been up to with SFM.

Oh lord, Source Film Maker has allowed The Thirty-Fourth Rule of Our Internet to flourish in ways my childhood could never have dreamed of.

I'm still irritated that everyone flipped their lid about Tracer's pose.

She's the character I love to look at the most, darn it. Spunky/Sexy is best sexy.

Tracer is.. wheres the leafy thing... you know the perfect hand sign emoji.. crap they don't have that.

I wish I could help you, but I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

[Neutraligon]

I have said I hate that form of feminism...frequently. I think Anita Sarkeesian has reprehensible ideas. If video games are not the cause of violence, why would they be a source of sexism? I like watching pretty/hot men and women in video games as much as the next person.

But when it's women it's sexism. You know that.

Incidentally, attitudes like this have gone a long way to suppressing the number of female characters in video games. Because any game where the woman is the villain often has to weather criticism from feminists like Sarkeesian and such, while also getting criticized by conservative groups for... pretty much the same thing. Meanwhile, the damsel trope is coming back because at least that doesn't get them criticism from the conservative group, and you gotta put some women in there SOMEWHERE besides the gender choosable hero.

So... yeah.

Oh I know that Anita and her ilk are harming getting more women in video games. While personally wish there where more clothes that where actually able to protect female characters, I want them as options. I want more female villains because guess what, women can be evil.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm not saying it caused it. It's a preexisting thing.

Rather, the world has been trending towards more gender equality (not fast enough, given), but having to walk on eggshells with every female character while you can do any damn thing you want with a male character, and you're trying to tell an edgy story, what do you do?

Never known game developers to care about that shit before. Dragon Age Origins had a bi chick who turned who turned her followers into breeding spawn for unholy monsters. DA2 had shittons of horrifying female villains, including the 'main' villain of the game. I don't remember the last RPG within the past ten years I played where female characters were treated very carefully and cautiously by the narrative.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm not saying it caused it. It's a preexisting thing.

Rather, the world has been trending towards more gender equality (not fast enough, given), but having to walk on eggshells with every female character while you can do any damn thing you want with a male character, and you're trying to tell an edgy story, what do you do?

Never known game developers to care about that shit before. Dragon Age Origins had a bi chick who turned who turned her followers into breeding spawn for unholy monsters. DA2 had shittons of horrifying female villains, including the 'main' villain of the game. I don't remember the last RPG within the past ten years I played where female characters were treated very carefully and cautiously by the narrative.

WWE 2K whatever.

[Dwolcook]

"Feminism is cancer"
- Every Rational Human