The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[The balkens]

Why did race have to be pulled into this? However true it may or may not be it seems rather off topic to do so.

Because his sense of entitlement to women's bodies did not happen in a vacuum. Factors ranging from white privilege to male privilege to class privilege and rape culture all merged together to permit this obscene narrative of perpetrator as innocent victim.

Oh my fucking god.

[Costa Fierro]

Six months is light, I would've given him 2 or 3 years.

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

[Wallenburg]

hi uummm I'm the president of zoitzzlander did like a say in this

Not an IC forum.

[Conserative Morality]

He is specifically considered unlikely to reoffend.

... why the fuck would they think that?

[Ganonsyoni]

Why did race have to be pulled into this? However true it may or may not be it seems rather off topic to do so.

Because his sense of entitlement to women's bodies did not happen in a vacuum. Factors ranging from white privilege to male privilege to class privilege and rape culture all merged together to permit this obscene narrative of perpetrator as innocent victim.

"But Nappy! Some rich white cis-guy says those things don't exist! Here is this Youtube video of him destroying feminism and racism with LOGIK AND RAISINS!" /s

[Des-Bal]

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

He specifically doesn't, he wasn't charged with rape and the leniency he recieved was predicated on the fact that he was not likely to reoffend. If he commits a similar crime they can be expected to do everything but flay him.

[Wallenburg]

Why did race have to be pulled into this? However true it may or may not be it seems rather off topic to do so.

Because his sense of entitlement to women's bodies did not happen in a vacuum. Factors ranging from white privilege to male privilege to class privilege and rape culture all merged together to permit this obscene narrative of perpetrator as innocent victim.

Oh, oh God...

Please don't go full SJW, Natapoc.

[Kelinfort]

Six months is light, I would've given him 2 or 3 years.

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

Ok that's taking it too far. 15 years is pushing it.

[The balkens]

Because his sense of entitlement to women's bodies did not happen in a vacuum. Factors ranging from white privilege to male privilege to class privilege and rape culture all merged together to permit this obscene narrative of perpetrator as innocent victim.

Oh, oh God...

Please don't go full SJW, Natapoc.

Too late.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why did race have to be pulled into this? However true it may or may not be it seems rather off topic to do so.

Because his sense of entitlement to women's bodies did not happen in a vacuum. Factors ranging from white privilege to male privilege to class privilege and rape culture all merged together to permit this obscene narrative of perpetrator as innocent victim.

I blame it more on the parents for being not strict enough.

Sure you have all those factors in society. Like my dad told me once though, just because the rest of the idiots say "we're going to go jump off a cliff! Yay!" that doesn't mean you also have to go and do it yourself. This is yet another reason why I feel strict, authoritarian parenting achieves better results in some aspects, like discipline.

[Kelinfort]

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

He specifically doesn't, he wasn't charged with rape and the leniency he recieved was predicated on the fact that he was not likely to reoffend. If he commits a similar crime they can be expected to do everything but flay him.

Still, this is a crime that has serious implications. I don't think six months is sufficient for the crime in this case. Surely there should be a rehabilitation aspect to his punishment, but he needs more time to reflect on this.

[Ostroeuropa]

For the record, given the state of the prison system, I actually think this sentence is a better one than most convicted rapists get. Pointlessly dicking around with people is not in the interests of the state, even if it does satisfy the urge for vengeance.

Look at it this way.
The governments highly unlikely to reform him no matter the sentence, and this one is cheaper.
If he could be reliably reformed in 24 hours i'd support that, too. But if we aren't even going to try, there's no point in sending him to prison at all tbh.

"Safety of the public" doesn't really fly when you also release hardened criminals onto the streets after their stay (Hardened by prison, ofcourse.) more psycho than before.

[Wallenburg]

He is specifically considered unlikely to reoffend.

... why the fuck would they think that?

Yes, why? What about him makes him "unlikely to reoffend"? And why exactly should we base criminal punishment on how likely it is that they will have to imprison him again? And how do they determine this magical probability?

[Costa Fierro]

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

He specifically doesn't, he wasn't charged with rape and the leniency he recieved was predicated on the fact that he was not likely to reoffend. If he commits a similar crime they can be expected to do everything but flay him.

Bullshit. If you can do something as heinous as this and get away from it with a sentence that is shorter than he would if he was caught dealing pot, there's every chance he'll do it again.

Oh, oh God...

Please don't go full SJW, Natapoc.

Too late. The train has already left the station.

[Conserative Morality]

I blame it more on the parents for being not strict enough.

Sure you have all those factors in society. Like my dad told me once though, just because the rest of the idiots say "we're going to go jump off a cliff! Yay!" that doesn't mean you also have to go and do it yourself. This is yet another reason why I feel strict, authoritarian parenting achieves better results in some aspects, like discipline.

It's all about circumstance. I know plenty of kids who had strict-as-hell parents who've become real shitbags.

[Kelinfort]

For the record, given the state of the prison system, I actually think this sentence is a better one than most convicted rapists get. Pointlessly dicking around with people is not in the interests of the state, even if it does satisfy the urge for vengeance.

Look at it this way.
The governments highly unlikely to reform him no matter the sentence, and this one is cheaper.

So shoot serial killers?

Or let them out after six months of time?

[Des-Bal]

... why the fuck would they think that?

I believe they based it on the fact he seemed repentant (apparently the victim disagrees) and he had no prior history.

[Wallenburg]

For the record, given the state of the prison system, I actually think this sentence is a better one than most convicted rapists get. Pointlessly dicking around with people is not in the interests of the state, even if it does satisfy the urge for vengeance.

Look at it this way.
The governments highly unlikely to reform him no matter the sentence, and this one is cheaper.

So let me get this straight, we should give him a light sentence because he is more likely to go back and do it again anyway? What the fuck?

[Ostroeuropa]

For the record, given the state of the prison system, I actually think this sentence is a better one than most convicted rapists get. Pointlessly dicking around with people is not in the interests of the state, even if it does satisfy the urge for vengeance.

Look at it this way.
The governments highly unlikely to reform him no matter the sentence, and this one is cheaper.

So shoot serial killers?

Or let them out after six months of time?

Ideally, fix the prison system and give it far more of a focus on rehabilitation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I blame it more on the parents for being not strict enough.

Sure you have all those factors in society. Like my dad told me once though, just because the rest of the idiots say "we're going to go jump off a cliff! Yay!" that doesn't mean you also have to go and do it yourself. This is yet another reason why I feel strict, authoritarian parenting achieves better results in some aspects, like discipline.

It's all about circumstance. I know plenty of kids who had strict-as-hell parents who've become real shitbags.

Eh, you can't control everything they do, which is where I draw the line.

Sure I'll teach them not to be fucking criminals. What they do in regards of how ethical they are and not complete shitbags except for not breaking the law is on their own shoulders after I am out of their lives as my role as a parent.

[Kelinfort]

So shoot serial killers?

Or let them out after six months of time?

Ideally, fix the prison system and give it far more of a focus on rehabilitation.

Yeah, "ideally", but what currently?

[Costa Fierro]

That's still far too lenient. Rape convictions should be a minimum of fifteen years behind bars. It's even worse now he basically knows he can get away with it now.

Ok that's taking it too far. 15 years is pushing it.

Fifteen years isn't pushing it. Fifteen years is a perfectly reasonable sentence because it reflects the severity of the crime.

[Kelinfort]

... why the fuck would they think that?

I believe they based it on the fact he seemed repentant (apparently the victim disagrees) and he had no prior history.

We all look repentant when our day of reckoning arrives.

[Wallenburg]

So shoot serial killers?

Or let them out after six months of time?

Ideally, fix the prison system and give it far more of a focus on rehabilitation.

You just said that this guy is unlikely to respond to rehabilitation.

[Kelinfort]

... why the fuck would they think that?

I believe they based it on the fact he seemed repentant (apparently the victim disagrees) and he had no prior history.

We all look repentant when our day of reckoning arrives.