Morr wrote:Valystria wrote:
Chess routinely quotes feminist authors she agrees with, feminist politicians passing laws she agrees with, feminist university policies she agrees with, etc etc. I suppose all those feminists of the Chessmistress variety who are in positions of power and influence are "MRA decoys" too?
What you're doing is attempting to make it appear as if Chessmistress is an isolated incident or a lone radical. She isn't. Her brand of feminism is quite popular among the establishment feminists. Resorting to conspiratorial tactics like painting Chessmistress as an "MRA decoy" is little more than an unsubstantiated smear against the MRA movement while propping up a shoddy illusion of making it appear as if Chessmistress feminism is a fringe ideology, when in reality it's anything but that.
No, that's exactly what she is, a very, very good, in depth, false flag. Regardless of whether or not you believe it. I, personally, am not a feminist, and am strongly against many of the things feminism stands for, such sexual liberation (though I admit that this is nothing but giving the same sexual liberty men have to women, but men shouldn't have it either). identity politics, and such ridiculousness as this sort of thing:
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Nonetheless, Chess is not an actual feminist. It's pretty sad to see someone put so much effort into pretending to be feminist just so all the MRA's can say, "See, THIS is a feminist", even though she's the only person posting like that yet most of this forum is feminist and disagrees with her, but I've seen more pathetic things on the internet.
How is she not an actual feminist? Her views are the same as all the radical feminists she mentions and she hasn't been the only radical feminist posting on the forum.
It's utterly ridiculous you think of all the things a "false flag" would be set up for, it's going to be a feminist wanting to ban sex robots? Seriously? And why would it be an MRA doing it? You're falsely conflating the MRM with anti-feminism and using baseless smears against both, using a false conflation frequently done by radical feminists and moderate feminists alike. Why is it that feminists like Chessmistress can't exist? They do exist.
You've provided no evidence for your claims and it's a ridiculous assertion to insist Chessmistress somehow isn't a real feminist when her type of feminism is that feminism that dominates. You're doing what moderate feminists do to deny that the feminist establishment is radical feminist, insisting "no, these aren't real feminists despite how they're everywhere".
You're using the true scotsman fallacy. It's something the moderate feminists very frequently do towards the radical feminists and vice versa. It's a fallacy.
Seriously, you're not the first to try this no true scotsman fallacy to distance Chess from feminism. It's been a long-running accusation from certain moderate feminists that Chess is a puppet of Ostro. Another conspiratorial accusation as unfounded as yours. And then there's you insisting Chess is an "MRA false flag". No evidence for your claims. Only evidence to the contrary that these feminists do exist.
Chess quotes famous feminist authors she agrees with. She posts media articles about feminist figures she agrees with. She routinely mentions feminist laws and policies she agrees with. So because Chess shares the same views as influential feminists, she's somehow a false flag? A desperate attempt at a no true scotsman.
And then there's Chess mentioning feminists who happen to agree with her about being against sex robots. I guess they must all be "MRA false flags" too going by your reasoning? Ridiculous. You can't accept extreme feminists exist and that they are far more common than you would have us believe. You're no different than the moderate feminists who tell radical feminists that they should stop calling themselves feminists. The no true scotsman fallacy.
It's pretty sad to see someone willing to go so far to deny that feminists like Chessmistress do exist, willing to go to the lengths of throwing out baseless conspiracy theories against the MRM, because clearly a feminist with the same views as Chessmistress just can't exist, and can't be a real feminist, despite how Chess has done nothing against "actual feminism", whatever that is. You know what that is? Chessmistress is an actual feminist. How many articles about feminists, feminist laws, feminist policies, feminist politicians, feminist celebrities, feminist websites, feminist studies, feminist authors all agreeing with her does she have to mention before you get it that her brand of feminism is "actual feminism". To handwave all of that away is to engage in reality denial.
