The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[Alvecia]

I think you're wrong.

I mean American and western European feminists. Feminists in countries like Saudi Arabia, or India are actually doing good for the world.

I still think you're wrong

[Vettrera]

I think you're wrong.

I mean American and western European feminists. Feminists in countries like Saudi Arabia, or India are actually doing good for the world.

Because people residing in the West definitely are incapable of believing in large-scale equal rights and can only focus in on video game characters, right.

It seems more likely that you just play a lot of videogames and it's an issue that feminists in that space tend to bring up. And for whatever reason you don't like them complaining about it...? Is that possibly it?

[Souseiseki]

no. there is no one afraid to call saudi arabia shit. even in circles where people are over-sensitive about islamophobia there is no spirited defence of respecting saudi arabia's rape culture. you are making things up.

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

[Neutraligon]

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Additional question. What do you think you can realistically do to actually change foreign dictatorships when you do not live there, do not have any power there, know nothing of the culture and thus have no idea how to go about changing things, etc.

[Arridian Islands]

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

[Vettrera]

no. there is no one afraid to call saudi arabia shit. even in circles where people are over-sensitive about islamophobia there is no spirited defence of respecting saudi arabia's rape culture. you are making things up.

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"

If gamergate is a dispute between feminist gamers and those that don't identify as feminists, it makes sense that people would bring up issues that they feel directly affected by. It doesn't preclude them for advocating for change in other places.

We all tend to be a little self-centered and are much more willing to discuss issues we have first-hand experience with than advocate for large scale changes. This isn't something special about feminists. A lot of us just preoccupy ourselves with comparably small things, and that's not a legitimate reason to attack 3rd-wave feminists.

[Neutraligon]

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

With what arms? With what money? With what support? You are aware that to do so would cost lives. There are plenty of reasons to criticize radical third wave feminists, this is not one.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Nothing with the equipment they have, also they could try to get the UN to act on the human rights violations but it is unlikely due to the fact that many countries will not want to do that to the Saudis because of oil, but countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and other nations where women are second class citizens might be possible.

[Vettrera]

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

What about the other countries from the Arab Spring...

[Forsher]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

By this logic we shouldn't try and deal with important things like congestion because in Syria people aren't metaphorically trapped by traffic but are literally besieged. Not that people don't complain about these things.*

*I could just as easily say "Why are you talking about Auckland's congestion, congestion is much worse in China!"... so it can be exactly like for like.

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that.

Why is feminism uniquely unable to look at issues local to its various movements?

Feminism In One Country, amirite?

I'm concerned about the big problems and the little problems, and I try to put a proportionate amount of effort and attention into them where possible.

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

Where do you get your information?

[Souseiseki]

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

tunisia is the exception. libya is still an intermittent civil war, egypt is back to a dictatorship and syria has been in a full blown civil war for years.

[The United Providences of Perland]

This thread needs closed down, as it clutters the forum when their is already a discussion thread for this.

[Vettrera]

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

Out of curiosity why aren't you out there inspiring Saudi women to rebel? By your logic do you not believe they deserve rights?

[Galloism]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

By this logic we shouldn't try and deal with important things like congestion because in Syria people aren't metaphorically trapped by traffic but are literally besieged. Not that people don't complain about these things.*

*I could just as easily say "Why are you talking about Auckland's congestion, congestion is much worse in China!"... so it can be exactly like for like.

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that.

Why is feminism uniquely unable to look at issues local to its various movements?

Feminism In One Country, amirite?

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

Where do you get your information?

What is "the Internet"?

Do I win?

[Alvecia]

Brings up an interesting point actually. Why are you spending your time asking questions and complaining about feminism on an internet forum when there are much bigger problems to be dealing with?

[Valrifell]

Brings up an interesting point actually. Why are you spending your time asking questions and complaining about feminism on an internet forum when there are much bigger problems to be dealing with?

Don't you know there are children who could've eaten these posts? You lot should be ashamed.

[Forsher]

What is "the Internet"?

Do I win?

An enormous sprawling mass. But probably.

[Arridian Islands]

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

What about the other countries from the Arab Spring...

Nothing useful happened with them, they stayed dictatorships.

[Farnhamia]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

*cracks her knuckles & rolls up the little thread into the big one*

[Dakini]

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

Saudi Arabia's record on human rights is all-round shit-tastic. Their treatment of women is shitty, their treatment of apostates is shitty, their treatment of people who want to speak freely is shitty, their treatment of criminals is shitty...

[Dakini]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

*cracks her knuckles & rolls up the little thread into the big one*

You should totally add a katamari image when you do that next time.

[Arridian Islands]

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

Out of curiosity why aren't you out there inspiring Saudi women to rebel? By your logic do you not believe they deserve rights?

Are you saying I haven't? Prove it.

[Alvecia]

Out of curiosity why aren't you out there inspiring Saudi women to rebel? By your logic do you not believe they deserve rights?

Are you saying I haven't? Prove it.

That's not how that works.

[Vettrera]

Out of curiosity why aren't you out there inspiring Saudi women to rebel? By your logic do you not believe they deserve rights?

Are you saying I haven't? Prove it.

Tell me what you do then

[Dakini]

what do you think you can realistically do to actually change a foreign dictatorship upon which you are dependent on for resources

Yeah, I don't know why america gets oil from Saudi Arabia. I live in Canada, we have oil and we're not a shithole. You could inspire Saudi women to rebel. Look what happened in Tunisia, that nation is now a democracy.

You know that Canada is selling arms to Saudi Arabia, right?

You can get off your high horse.