The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[Des-Bal]

I want to make it clear that my post criticizes that sort of behavior in general, rather than specific people. Naming names would not only be borderline flaming/baiting, but also extremely detracting to my actual point.

And as an added bonus you haven't personally accused anybody of anything and they won't be inspired to challenge you to substantiate your bare accusation. I haven't seen a single person go "lol fuckin sjw u h8 men go back to your safe space."

[New Edom]

Feminism in theory, is a great thing. And when it was created, it was certainly needed. But now, (and read my entire post here as this may offend a few people if not read correctly), it's filled with people who have idiotic and down right hypocritical ideologies (like all men are always out to hurt woman, or that woman are the master race, and so on). A decent amount of feminists, are not like this. But the idiotic minority is drowning out the good intentioned majority. Plus, feminism has frankly done its purpose. There is, frankly, not that much sexism but in small clusters. Sure, there is some. But for a great majority, there isn't, which is good. And realistically, all sexism, racism, and so on will never be gone.

I don't think feminism has entirely done it's purpose, there is the third world and even some instances in the first world, but feminism has definitely failed to adapt in light of changes to Western society. Instead of focusing on gender equality as it actually manifests itself, they attempt to use vague, unproven social hypotheses to spook it's followers into believing that our society is the same as it was 80 years ago.


And hey Jello, I replied to your SAGE thing last page. Sorry it took long, I missed it.

People have a lot invested in being right about the mainstream expressions of feminism. They're actually making careers, making money off it. Whether it's Emma Watson now making a stupid feminist remake of "Beauty and the Beast--because you know old folktales need to be remade to be politically correct or young women will kill themselves--or Gender Studies professors having a job--they NEED tihs. Like Meghan Murphy at Feministcurrent--arguably Canada's most influential feminist online publication--her degree is in Gender Studies.

Being a rpofessional feminist is like being a sniper or deep sea diver--it's a little challenging to just turn that into another profession. So these people will fight tooth and nail to be relevant. Imagine being Gloria Steinem--it must be like being a professional horse wagon manufacturer in the 1920s. You know your job is doomed, but you're still alive, and you're old. It's all damage control.

[Rastynhaven]

I don't think feminism has entirely done it's purpose, there is the third world and even some instances in the first world, but feminism has definitely failed to adapt in light of changes to Western society. Instead of focusing on gender equality as it actually manifests itself, they attempt to use vague, unproven social hypotheses to spook it's followers into believing that our society is the same as it was 80 years ago.


And hey Jello, I replied to your SAGE thing last page. Sorry it took long, I missed it.

Whether it's Emma Watson now making a stupid feminist remake of "Beauty and the Beast--because you know old folktales need to be remade to be politically correct or young women will kill themselves--

How is it stupid? There's nothing wrong with adapting a fairytale to be more appealing to modern audiences and modern children. No one will portray the rape of Sleeping Beauty by the prince, for example, which was one of the earliest written versions. An extreme example, but 1930s Snow White wouldn't fly today either. You can do much with source material, just look at how Tangled diverges from the original story, but is still recognizably Rapunzel. Barbie came out with an adventurous Rapunzel a decade earlier. The fact is that too-passive heroines aren't appealing anymore to many parents. All I can find so far that can be considered feminist is that Belle is now a hobbyist inventor. What's wrong with that? Her father's an inventor, doesn't it make sense for him historically to pass his trade to his daughter as he lacks a son?

I think you're being clouded by your grudge against Emma Watson for whatever reason.

[Arridian Islands]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

[Conserative Morality]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

[Arridian Islands]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

[Souseiseki]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

[Neutraligon]

Fallacy of relative privation. I can be worried about things that happen elsewhere as well as worried about things that happen here. That being said, fewer women in video games is a very minor concern for me. If it must relate to video games, I am more "worried" about the type of character rather then then number of characters.

[Souseiseki]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

are you sure you're not expecting us to answer for a straw feminist

[Galloism]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

That's ok. You paid no attention to the existing feminist thread that this would fit neatly into without unnecessarily cluttering the forum.

If we can forgive you, you can forgive them.

[Italios]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

I know this may come as a shock, but as you clearly disagree with the western feminist's general goals and beliefs, of course you're not going to agree with them on what counts as legitimate issue.

[Vettrera]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

Sounds like you're making a pretty big over-generalization to justify your random dislike of feminism.

[Arridian Islands]

I'm not really sure WHERE this should be posted, but this seemed the best choice, so sorry if I'm wrong. But, anyways here's my questions. Why do you complain about there not being enough female videogame characters, when there are much bigger problems, like women not being allowed to drive, or leave the house in Saudi Arabia? Why do you complain about a "rape culture" in America when there are real rape cultures in many less developed countries?

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

[Alvecia]

I'm concerned about the big problems and the little problems, and I try to put a proportionate amount of effort and attention into them where possible.

[Neutraligon]

It is possible to be concerned about more than one issue at once. "People elsewhere have it worse" is not an excuse for poor treatment at home.

How is not having good videogame characters an issue? Feminists pay NO attention to actual issues involving real women issues.

Oh, there are groups that worry about say women in some states still having issues getting into STEM fields due to family not supporting them. There are groups who are worried about women not being drafted (some who want the draft extended whole others want it removed, and yes those who want to keep it as is).

[Vettrera]

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

Seems like you've already made up your mind and just came here to whine and display your biases than to actually ask a question.

[Souseiseki]

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

no. there is no one afraid to call saudi arabia shit. even in circles where people are over-sensitive about islamophobia there is no spirited defence of respecting saudi arabia's rape culture. you are making things up.

[Arridian Islands]

I'm concerned about the big problems and the little problems, and I try to put a proportionate amount of effort and attention into them where possible.

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

[Neutraligon]

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

You know it is possible to work against Islamophobia and also disagree with the culture within Saudi Arabia.

[Alvecia]

I'm concerned about the big problems and the little problems, and I try to put a proportionate amount of effort and attention into them where possible.

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

I think you're wrong.

[Vettrera]

I'm concerned about the big problems and the little problems, and I try to put a proportionate amount of effort and attention into them where possible.

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

[citation needed]

[Italios]

why do you concern yourself with your own elections instead of the japanese election? because it's your own election and you have more control over it, more stake over it and it affects you more. it's also significantly easier to affect change at home than abroad. and no, there is nobody that thinks "wow saudi arabia ia just the bees knees".

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

It appears that one who devotes all their attention to whether or not the current video game character lineup is appropriate or not is you. Feminists, just like anyone else, have the ability to care about more than one issue at once.

[Arridian Islands]

Well, you're a minority to feminists then. Most feminists are concerned with incredibly small problems that have nothing to do with women being oppressed.

I think you're wrong.

I mean American and western European feminists. Feminists in countries like Saudi Arabia, or India are actually doing good for the world.

[Neutraligon]

I think you're wrong.

I mean American and western European feminists. Feminists in countries like Saudi Arabia, or India are actually doing good for the world.

Citation still needed.Why did this need a separate thread?

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

If women who got raped in America were ARRESTED then it would make more sense for American feminists to pay more attention to that. And, sure, you may disagree with Saudi Arabia's policies but people are afraid to insult their stupid rape culture cuz "omg islamophobia!!11"

no. there is no one afraid to call saudi arabia shit. even in circles where people are over-sensitive about islamophobia there is no spirited defence of respecting saudi arabia's rape culture. you are making things up.

No, its not that it is that the western "Feminists" are too lazy and/or ill equipped to handle foreign matters that actually matter, so they focus on BS first world issues like "Gamergate"