The NationStates Feminist Thread II

[Costa Fierro]

How much damage has this done?

While I advocate heavily for a gender-neutral approach to sexual assault, I have to wonder how much damage this story has done, especially now that the jury has reached the position that Malice was involved.

I'm not stupid enough to think that people aren't going to use this as a classic example of Patriarchy, or as all the evidence they need to say that every time someone claims rape in college it's a lie.

So why do it? Why would you claim to support Feminism, like the writer did, and then turn around and do this.

Because feminism isn't about equality anymore, it's about power and control.

[Stellonia]

If they're this tiny minority, how did they get the gender neutral rape law in india replaced with a sexist one?

Yeah, one of the worst countries in the world to be born a woman is a feminist hellhole with radical feminists running everything. India is absolutely the country we want to hold up as an example of how feminists have ruined everything good.

Yeah. Feminist-run India, where a whopping 12 % of lawmakers are women, and where they'll outlaw marital rape aaaaaany day now. India. Yeah.

A testament to the fact that some feminists just don't give a shit about gender equality. If the Indian feminist groups cared so much about genital mutilation, rape, child marriage, or any other compelling issues facing their country, they wouldn't devote so much of their energy to anti-male initiatives.

By the way, Knask, I wonder what your position is on laws that acknowledge female-on-male rape.

[Konarus]

"The NationStates Feminist Thread II"

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[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yeah, one of the worst countries in the world to be born a woman is a feminist hellhole with radical feminists running everything. India is absolutely the country we want to hold up as an example of how feminists have ruined everything good.

Yeah. Feminist-run India, where a whopping 12 % of lawmakers are women, and where they'll outlaw marital rape aaaaaany day now. India. Yeah.

Tell me again how you're supposed to be tearing down our negative perceptions?

They aren't. They're just contributing to it, unfortunately.

[Liberonscien]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

I said something about this earlier, thanks for expanding on it.

[Lady Scylla]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

Answer: Stupidity

[Charmera]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

Yeah. There are a lot of cases where people have been doing things like that...

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

Yeah. There are a lot of cases where people have been doing things like that...

Womyn for example.

[Uiiop]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

From what i understand it's not quite what they're going for.
It's a pun about correcting percived bias not necessary that the name really is a reflection of that bias.

[Manchuria]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

It's honestly more than just etymology. It's how people perceive the word as well, and the new meanings and associations the word has as perceptions evolve.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

What's with the word "herstory"? Some feminists, I'm afraid, need to learn about the etymology of the word. It is not a portmanteau of the words "his" and "story," but rather a derivative of the Greek and Latin words for "inquiry."

It's honestly more than just etymology. It's how people perceive the word as well, and the new meanings and associations the word has as perceptions evolve.

This is why I think etymology lessons should be mandatory.

[Manchuria]

It's honestly more than just etymology. It's how people perceive the word as well, and the new meanings and associations the word has as perceptions evolve.

This is why I think etymology lessons should be mandatory.

What I'm saying is that it's not just a matter of etymology or knowing it. The word will still look and seem like what it looks like to many people.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

This is why I think etymology lessons should be mandatory.

What I'm saying is that it's not just a matter of etymology or knowing it. The word will still look and seem like what it looks like to many people.

I understood that. I suggest the mandatory etymology lessons so that society can avoid this. As far as I can tell the people that believe the word 'history' to be a representative of males trying to do something, what they think the word represents I have no idea, but I can say with safety that they are being stupid for doing so.

In summary, stick with the original dictionary definition and research a words etymology.

[Napkiraly]

Yeah. There are a lot of cases where people have been doing things like that...

Womyn for example.

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Womyn for example.

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

I'd reprimand them and subtract points.
Words are after all, rather important, and I see no reason to change a word for the fact that it contains the word 'man' within.

[Napkiraly]

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

I'd reprimand them and subtract points.
Words are after all, rather important, and I see no reason to change a word for the fact that it contains the word 'man' within.

Not to mention that if women's collective ego and self-esteem were to be ruptured by having "man" or "men" in the word, then perhaps there is a valid reason to having a patriarchal system. Thankfully, most women are not offended by such a thing and don't give a single toss.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I'd reprimand them and subtract points.
Words are after all, rather important, and I see no reason to change a word for the fact that it contains the word 'man' within.

Not to mention that if women's collective ego and self-esteem were to be ruptured by having "man" or "men" in the word, then perhaps there is a valid reason to having a patriarchal system. Thankfully, most women are not offended by such a thing and don't give a single toss.

When they suggested that they should change the word because it contains the word man, they simply supplied misogynists with a reason not to let women have voices.

[Costa Fierro]

Womyn for example.

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

And get booted from the faculty after the local feminist group gets whipped up into a mouth-frothing frenzy.

[Napkiraly]

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

And get booted from the faculty after the local feminist group gets whipped up into a mouth-frothing frenzy.

Not if I am at an American university with tenure. :-)

[Giovenith]

And get booted from the faculty after the local feminist group gets whipped up into a mouth-frothing frenzy.

Not if I am at an American university with tenure. :-)

Tenure has already been failing to protect several "offensive" professors in America.

[New Edom]

"Herstory" is featured in the Black Lives Matter website. Check it out for yourselves. It was apparently founded by three lesbian marxist radical feminists. Explains a great deal of the dogmatism and stupidity of the organization. So when you see a word like that, you might want to wonder why it is used--what it signifies, and what those who use it politically intend. This organization demonstrates that part of the goal of intersectionarlity is actually to dominate conversations and direct people's thoughts.

[Manchuria]

"Herstory" is featured in the Black Lives Matter website. Check it out for yourselves. It was apparently founded by three lesbian marxist radical feminists.

I can understand how you might be against Marxism and feminism (since you can disagree with them), but are their sexual orientations really a problem?

[USS Monitor]

Womyn for example.

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

Just correct it and treat it as you would any other spelling error.

I support gender neutral language like "spokesperson" or singular "they," but "womyn" or "wymyn" is just pointless. Having the letters "man" included in both the words "man" and "woman" doesn't insult anyone. It just means the two words are related. If the "wo" has some kind of problematic etymology behind it, then we should come up with an unrelated word, or one that replaces "wo" with a different pre-fix, not just a variant spelling with the same etymology. "Womyn" isn't removing any gender bias; it's just changing the language for the sake of changing it. It's like bra-burning. Just a way of attention-whoring without making a legitimate point.

[Napkiraly]

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

Just correct it and treat it as you would any other spelling error.

I support gender neutral language like "spokesperson" or singular "they," but "womyn" or "wymyn" is just pointless. Having the letters "man" included in both the words "man" and "woman" doesn't insult anyone. It just means the two words are related. If the "wo" has some kind of problematic etymology behind it, then we should come up with an unrelated word, or one that replaces "wo" with a different pre-fix, not just a variant spelling with the same etymology. "Womyn" isn't removing any gender bias; it's just changing the language for the sake of changing it. It's like bra-burning. Just a way of attention-whoring without making a legitimate point.

The etymology behind it goes back to Old English. Wifmann was the original spelling and men were originally wermann - mann alone originally was gender neutral. Overtime, wer got dropped and mann came to refer to male humans. However, this did not occur for women. Wifmann would evolve over time to become woman. There is no problem behind it.

[Minzerland II]

I ever see that on a paper I have to mark when I'm a prof I'll deduct a shit ton of marks.

Just correct it and treat it as you would any other spelling error.

I support gender neutral language like "spokesperson" or singular "they," but "womyn" or "wymyn" is just pointless. Having the letters "man" included in both the words "man" and "woman" doesn't insult anyone. It just means the two words are related. If the "wo" has some kind of problematic etymology behind it, then we should come up with an unrelated word, or one that replaces "wo" with a different pre-fix, not just a variant spelling with the same etymology. "Womyn" isn't removing any gender bias; it's just changing the language for the sake of changing it. It's like bra-burning. Just a way of attention-whoring without making a legitimate point.

Why do we have to?