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Ignorance and HIV transmission criminalisation

Postby Rubor Dolor » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:11 pm

It is my position that any legal framework that seeks to criminalise transmission of HIV needs to be sensitive to the ways in which the act can be mitigated by moral or factual ignorance. It is a negative, of course, to transmit the virus but officials attempting to produce such legislation need to be wary of the ways in which individuals could be excused of the act by virtue of their ignorance of the moral and factual aspects of the illness.

Moral ignorance would be the situation where an individual has no reason to suspect they carry HIV and ultimately transmit it through this ignorance. If I were to make a peanut butter sandwich for a friend for example and they sustained an anaphylactic reaction from a non disclosed peanut allergy I doubt many would find me culpable.

Non-moral ignorance would be the situation in which an individual is aware that they have a degree of risk of having HIV but have not taken steps to confirm this and subsequently inoculate another person. A similar example would be a physician who doesn't know that a patient is penicillin allergic but is too lazy to ask and as a result the patient sustains an anaphylactic reaction. In this situation most would find against the doctor. When ignorance is wilful or stems from negligence, it does not count as an excuse.

The latter paragraph is the intuition that leads us to blame people for their negligence when they ‘should have known better’ but not in cases when knowing the potential for harm is impossible. Attributions of blame for sexual transmission of infections reflect this principle. A man with human papillomavirus (HPV) cannot be tested for the infection, so he cannot be blamed if he unknowingly transmits HPV to his partner. Yet unknowing transmission is not always excused. For example, people with reason to believe they have HIV may be culpable for negligence and therefore blameworthy for transmission if they chose to remain wilfully ignorant.

It is my opinion however that both moral and non-moral ignorance can sometimes excuse wrongdoing. What of yours?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:55 pm

The only thing that needs to be criminalized is Religion trying to define the laws.

Well at least all countries should have an establishment clause.

In the matters of HIV, the only criminal act is knowing you have the disease and not informing potential partners.
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Postby Rubor Dolor » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:02 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:The only thing that needs to be criminalized is Religion trying to define the laws.

Well at least all countries should have an establishment clause.

In the matters of HIV, the only criminal act is knowing you have the disease and not informing potential partners.


I'm unsure on what basis you invoke the religious problem in this discussion. Can you clarify?

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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:31 pm

Before any of this is really relevant, could you tell me who is proposing a bill to criminalize transmission of HIV?
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Postby Cetacea » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:The only thing that needs to be criminalized is Religion trying to define the laws.

Well at least all countries should have an establishment clause.

In the matters of HIV, the only criminal act is knowing you have the disease and not informing potential partners.


In New Zealand the court ruled that a person is not required to inform partners of their HIV status provided they practice protected sex. A person who doesn't is deemed to be a criminal nuisance and is charged accordingly.

The balance is between a persons right to privacy and the publics right to protection from harm.

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Postby Rubor Dolor » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:34 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Before any of this is really relevant, could you tell me who is proposing a bill to criminalize transmission of HIV?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... ted_States

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/sta ... osure.html

http://www.hivlawcommission.org/index.p ... wdoc&id=90

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:39 pm

Cetacea wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:The only thing that needs to be criminalized is Religion trying to define the laws.

Well at least all countries should have an establishment clause.

In the matters of HIV, the only criminal act is knowing you have the disease and not informing potential partners.


In New Zealand the court ruled that a person is not required to inform partners of their HIV status provided they practice protected sex. A person who doesn't is deemed to be a criminal nuisance and is charged accordingly.

The balance is between a persons right to privacy and the publics right to protection from harm.


I disagree with NZ on that. Safe sex isn't fool proof and your potential partner should have the right to know about it. Most people tend to let people know anyway.

Your right to get laid doesn't override the other persons right to know you have something potentially contagious and life threatening.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:43 pm

Rubor Dolor wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Before any of this is really relevant, could you tell me who is proposing a bill to criminalize transmission of HIV?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... ted_States

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/sta ... osure.html

http://www.hivlawcommission.org/index.p ... wdoc&id=90

Okay, I thought you meant a federal law. Good to know.
But wouldn't forceful transmission of HIV already be covered under rape? Since it is sexual action with intent to cause harm.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:27 am

Proving or disproving ignorance would be too difficult and in no other situation is ignorance of a law and excuse for breaking it so no


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