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Will things be better in 10 years than they were 10 years ago?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:46 pm

All this decay nonsense is just that: nonsense. We're doing better now than we were 30, 40, 50 years ago. The only real thing we did worse was squander the entire 90s worth of relative diplomatic goodwill across the world on an ill-thought out invasion of Iraq.

It's not that we're perfect, it's just that generally speaking, we're improving. The question is just whether we'll improve fast enough to keep up with the rest of the world.
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:58 pm

Has long has the Dollar is worth something all will be happiness. :lol:

You want to know what happens to a nation in which right and left are at odds big time then study Colombia's Civil wars. What they were all about. I will list them -

1. The Civil war between Federalists and Centralistsin 1812 and 1814. Around the time they were fighting for independence - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foolish_Fatherland

2. Civil war of 1839 to 1841 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Supremes

3. Civil war of 1851 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Granada

4. Civil war of 1854
Another war started 1854 when José María Melo made a coup d'Etat against José María Obando on 17 april 1854. After the coup, several generals created their own regional armies and went to Bogota where Melo was defeated.


5. Civil war of 1860 to 1862 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian ... E2%80%9362)

I should point out that after this point until 1885
During this era, there were about 40 regional civil wars, and one national civil war (1876-1877) when conservatives revolted but at the end negotiations finished the conflict


6. Civil war of 1876 to 1877 ( This war was over Public Education) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian ... ar_of_1876

7. Civil war of 1884 to 1885 -
In 1884, the radical-liberals revolted arguing that president Nunez tried to limit the power of the states. Nunez and some liberals allied with the conservatives and the National party was created 1885. This party won the war and in 1886 proclaimed a new constitution of centralist character that abolished the United States and created the Republic of Colombia.


8. Civil war of 1895 - https://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/c1800 ... ia1895.htm

9 Civil war of 1899 - 1902 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Days%27_War

10. Civil war of 1930 - (Called the Small Violence) Generally, political parties fighting, people protesting, military and police unable to cope all due to government debt and the economic stagnation).

10. Civil war of 1948 to 1958 - (Called the Violence) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Violencia

11. Civil war of 1962 to 2015 (yes, all sides signed an agreement to finally end it) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian ... %93present)
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:03 pm

As a twenty-year old, I don't know if America is decaying. I haven't lived long enough to decide whether the US of the past was better than the US of today. What I can say is that I believe I live in the best era of American history. I can't really explain why, not in detail anyway, but I feel like the US of 2015 is better than the one of 1995 or 1985 or 1975. I don't know if it is better, though. Thirty different people have thirty different opinions, as is said.

Even if the US is decaying, I at least have the Internet, a laptop, and computer games.

One thing I'm 99% certain of is that I live in a better America than the one of 19th century.
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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:28 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:No, we utilize the increased situational awareness to identify the sources of our problems and seek a solution to them. Granted I will agree with the country falling apart bit. The nation-state model in general has many inherent problems, and one as massive as this simply can't last no matter how hard we try. Human beings simply haven't evolved to manage a society at this level.

As long as humanity can't manage a society then why do we form into societies in the first place?

It isn't that we can't form societie, we evolved as social beings after all, but we evolved to function in societies no larger than 200 people. We can get societies larger than that to work, but the base of organization should be decentralized at smaller scales. The larger and more centralized we make societies, the more individual power must be given up, and the more distant the center of political power becomes from the people.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:13 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:As long as humanity can't manage a society then why do we form into societies in the first place?

It isn't that we can't form societie, we evolved as social beings after all, but we evolved to function in societies no larger than 200 people. We can get societies larger than that to work, but the base of organization should be decentralized at smaller scales. The larger and more centralized we make societies, the more individual power must be given up, and the more distant the center of political power becomes from the people.

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Postby Ava Ire » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:05 pm

Is America decaying? No, I don't think so.
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Postby Italios » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:07 pm

Ava Ire wrote:Is America decaying? No, I don't think so.

Will we be in 10 years, though? In the 20's things were all hunky-dory, but then came the stock market crash and the Great Depression.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:12 pm

Italios wrote:
Ava Ire wrote:Is America decaying? No, I don't think so.

Will we be in 10 years, though? In the 20's things were all hunky-dory, but then came the stock market crash and the Great Depression.

I have no proof to back up this statement, but I doubt most Americans in the 1920s were rolling in cash. If anything, most were probably only struggling a little less than they were a decade later.

Plus, many Americans, specifically black Americans, weren't "hunky dory". Klan membership, for example, hit a peak in the mid-1920s.
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Postby Italios » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:13 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Italios wrote:Will we be in 10 years, though? In the 20's things were all hunky-dory, but then came the stock market crash and the Great Depression.

I have no proof to back up this statement, but I doubt most Americans in the 1920s were rolling in cash. If anything, most were probably only struggling a little less than they were a decade later.

You're right. Times were harder then they are now, but the huge collapse came rather unexpected.
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Postby Ava Ire » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:30 pm

Italios wrote:
Ava Ire wrote:Is America decaying? No, I don't think so.

Will we be in 10 years, though? In the 20's things were all hunky-dory, but then came the stock market crash and the Great Depression.

Yeah, then came a world war to boost the economy again. America's economy will probably experience similar low points like the 1920's, but it'll also experience great prosperity again. It's just a big cycle to me.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:37 pm

I think human history has a tendency to crawl its way towards an overall improvement of our circumstances, so yes, I do think things will be somewhat better in ten years for the United States in particular, and humanity in general. But I also think this improvement will only be slight, and not as widespread as it could be, unless American society in particular, and human society in general, acknowledges the need for a substantial change in how we perceive ourselves, the resources we have, the possibilities available, the duties entailed, and how we deal with them.

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Threlizdun wrote:I don't see the growing detachment to the American identity as a decay, but rather an increased understanding of the social order. People are more cynical because they have more reason to be so. Of course the idea that we've ever truly been unified is rather ridiculous. There have always been Americans who were forced outside of contemporary American society. Be it race, religion, class, nation of origin, gender identity, or sexual orientation, there has never been a single America. America isn't decaying; the illusion is simply becoming increasingly transparent. This is a good thing. We need to understand that we don't all have an equal standing in this nation, and that increased consciousness is indispensable if we hope to improve our situation.
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Postby Comrade Sanders » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:44 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:No American will still continue to be a hell hole mired in the contradicts inherent in the capitalist system

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Postby FutureAmerica » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:39 am

Carter was an idiot that hurt the country and the world. Reagan then won by a landslide. Please no more presidents from the American South or the US is doomed.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:45 am

the country will be better if we work to make it better. it will be worse if we sit back and let others fuck up the country for their own purposes.
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Postby Lydenburg » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:54 am

Yanks - especially all of you educated, white, middle class suburbanites - if you're ever tempted to bemoan the "collapse" of your country, kindly bear in mind that not all of us have it half as good as you do.

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Postby Axis Asteroid » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:32 am

I wouldn't say we're decaying in any material sense, but I believe our democracy and our Republican form of government have been in a state of decline for the past few decades. I mean this in the sense that money in politics is corrupting the system to the degree that the people's elected representatives aren't truly representing their concerns and viewpoints, but are instead catering to the needs of lobbyists, special interests, and their donors in general. In this sense, I believe that until money is removed from politics entirely, the legislative agenda of politicians won't reflect the will of the American people, which is why it wouldn't be inaccurate to say our Republic is currently being subverted like no other period in our history.
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:37 am

Lydenburg wrote:Yanks - especially all of you educated, white, middle class suburbanites - if you're ever tempted to bemoan the "collapse" of your country, kindly bear in mind that not all of us have it half as good as you do.

What is it with making people feel ashamed of things they can't control? And it's not just whites that have the privilege of being middle class. or suburbanites. or educated. Mixed race, black, white, asian. All have sizable populations in "educated, middle class suburbanite" America.

In fact. not just Americans. Europe, Canada, Australia. All have a privileged middle class.

As do non western countries Such as Japan and China, whose middle classes are as well off and privileged as any "white middle class suburbanites".
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:23 am

Cata Larga wrote:Firstly, let me start this rant off with the text of President Carter's "malaise" speech from 1979, with the most relevant portions bolded:

Good evening.—This is a special night for me. Exactly 3 years ago, on July 15, 1976, I accepted the nomination of my party to run for President of the United States.

I promised you a President who is not isolated from the people, who feels your pain, and who shares your dreams and who draws his strength and his wisdom from you.

During the past 3 years I've spoken to you on many occasions about national concerns, the energy crisis, reorganizing the Government, our Nation's economy, and issues of war and especially peace. But over those years the subjects of the speeches, the talks, and the press conferences have become increasingly narrow focused more and more on what the isolated world of Washington thinks is important. Gradually, you've heard more and more about what the Government thinks or what the Government should be doing and less and less about our Nation's hopes, our dreams, and our vision of the future.

Ten days ago I had planned to speak to you again about a very important subject—energy. For the fifth time I would have described the urgency of the problem and laid out a series of legislative recommendations to the Congress. But as I was preparing to speak, I began to ask myself the same question that I now know has been troubling many of you. Why have we not been able to get together as a nation to resolve our serious energy problem?

It's clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper—deeper than gasoline lines or energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession. And I realize more than ever that as President I need your help. So, I decided to reach out and listen to the voices of America.

I invited to Camp David people from almost every segment of our society—business and labor, teachers and preachers, Governors, mayors, and private citizens. And then I left Camp David to listen to other Americans, men and women like you.

It has been an extraordinary 10 days, and I want to share with you what I've heard. First of all, I got a lot of personal advice. Let me quote a few of the typical comments that I wrote down.

This from a southern Governor: “Mr. President, you are not leading this Nation—you're just managing the Government.”

“You don't see the people enough any more.”

“Some of your Cabinet members don't seem loyal. There is not enough discipline among your disciples.”

“Don't talk to us about politics or the mechanics of government, but about an understanding of our common good.”

“Mr. President, we're in trouble. Talk to us about blood and sweat and tears.”

“If you lead, Mr. President, we will follow.”

Many people talked about themselves and about the condition of our Nation.

This from a young woman in Pennsylvania: “I feel so far from government. I feel like ordinary people are excluded from political power.”

And this from a young Chicano: “Some of us have suffered from recession all our lives.”

“Some people have wasted energy, but others haven't had anything to waste.”

And this from a religious leader: “No material shortage can touch the important things like God's love for us or our love for one another.”

And I like this one particularly from a black woman who happens to be the mayor of a small Mississippi town: “The big-shots are not the only ones who are important. Remember, you can't sell anything on Wall Street unless someone digs it up somewhere else first.”

This kind of summarized a lot of other statements: “Mr. President, we are confronted with a moral and a spiritual crisis.”

Several of our discussions were on energy, and I have a notebook full of comments and advice. I'll read just a few.

“We can't go on consuming 40 percent more energy than we produce. When we import oil we are also importing inflation plus unemployment”

“We've got to use what we have. The Middle East has only 5 percent of the world's energy, but the United States has 24 percent.”

And this is one of the most vivid statements: “Our neck is stretched over the fence and OPEC has a knife.”

“There will be other cartels and other shortages. American wisdom and courage right now can set a path to follow in the future.”

This was a good one: “Be bold, Mr. President. We may make mistakes, but we are ready to experiment.”

And this one from a labor leader got to the heart of it: “The real issue is freedom. We must deal with the energy problem on a war footing.”

And the last that I'll read: “When we enter the moral equivalent of war, Mr. President, don't issue us BB guns.”

These 10 days confirmed my belief in the decency and the strength and the wisdom of the American people, but it also bore out some of my long-standing concerns about our Nation's underlying problems.

I know, of course, being President, that government actions and legislation can be very important. That's why I've worked hard to put my campaign promises into law - and I have to admit, with just mixed success. But after listening to the American people I have been reminded again that all the legislation in the world can't fix what's wrong with America. So, I want to speak to you first tonight about a subject even more serious than energy or inflation. I want to talk to you right now about a fundamental threat to American democracy.

I do not mean our political and civil liberties. They will endure. And I do not refer to the outward strength of America, a nation that is at peace tonight everywhere in the world, with unmatched economic power and military might.

The threat is nearly invisible in ordinary ways. It is a crisis of confidence. It is a crisis that strikes at the very heart and soul and spirit of our national will. We can see this crisis in the growing doubt about the meaning of our own lives and in the loss of a unity of purpose for our Nation.

The erosion of our confidence in the future is threatening to destroy the social and the political fabric of America.

The confidence that we have always had as a people is not simply some romantic dream or a proverb in a dusty book that we read just on the Fourth of July.

It is the idea which founded our Nation and has guided our development as a people. Confidence in the future has supported everything else—public institutions and private enterprise, our own families, and the very Constitution of the United States. Confidence has defined our course and has served as a link between generations. We've always believed in something called progress. We've always had a faith that the days of our children would be better than our own.

Our people are losing that faith, not only in government itself but in the ability as citizens to serve as the ultimate rulers and shapers of our democracy. As a people we know our past and we are proud of it. Our progress has been part of the living history of America, even the world. We always believed that we were part of a great movement of humanity itself called democracy, involved in the search for freedom, and that belief has always strengthened us in our purpose. But just as we are losing our confidence in the future, we are also beginning to close the door on our past.

In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We've learned that piling up material goods cannot fill the emptiness of lives which have no confidence or purpose.

The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next 5 years will be worse than the past 5 years. Two-thirds of our people do not even vote. The productivity of American workers is actually dropping, and the willingness of Americans to save for the future has fallen below that of all other people in the Western world.

As you know, there is a growing disrespect for government and for churches and for schools, the news media, and other institutions. This is not a message of happiness or reassurance, but it is the truth and it is a warning.

These changes did not happen overnight. They've come upon us gradually over the last generation, years that were filled with shocks and tragedy.

We were sure that ours was a nation of the ballot, not the bullet, until the murders of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. We were taught that our armies were always invincible and our causes were always just, only to suffer the agony of Vietnam. We respected the Presidency as a place of honor until the shock of Watergate.

We remember when the phrase “sound as a dollar” was an expression of absolute dependability, until 10 years of inflation began to shrink our dollar and our savings. We believed that our Nation's resources were limitless until 1973, when we had to face a growing dependence on foreign oil.

These wounds are still very deep. They have never been healed. Looking for a way out of this crisis, our people have turned to the Federal Government and found it isolated from the mainstream of our Nation's life. Washington, D.C., has become an island. The gap between our citizens and our Government has never been so wide. The people are looking for honest answers, not easy answers; clear leadership, not false claims and evasiveness and politics as usual.

What you see too often in Washington and elsewhere around the country is a system of government that seems incapable of action. You see a Congress twisted and pulled in every direction by hundreds of well-financed and powerful special interests. You see every extreme position defended to the last vote, almost to the last breath by one unyielding group or another. You often see a balanced and a fair approach that demands sacrifice, a little sacrifice from everyone, abandoned like an orphan without support and without friends.

Often you see paralysis and stagnation and drift. You don't like it, and neither do I. What can we do?

First of all, we must face the truth, and then we can change our course. We simply must have faith in each other, faith in our ability to govern ourselves, and faith in the future of this Nation. Restoring that faith and that confidence to America is now the most important task we face. It is a true challenge of this generation of Americans.

One of the visitors to Camp David last week put it this way: “We've got to stop crying and start sweating, stop talking and start walking, stop cursing and start praying. The strength we need will not come from the White House, but from every house in America.”

We know the strength of America. We are strong. We can regain our unity. We can regain our confidence. We are the heirs of generations who survived threats much more powerful and awesome than those that challenge us now. Our fathers and mothers were strong men and women who shaped a new society during the Great Depression, who fought world wars, and who carved out a new charter of peace for the world.

We ourselves are the same Americans who just 10 years ago put a man on the Moon. We are the generation that dedicated our society to the pursuit of human rights and equality. And we are the generation that will win the war on the energy problem and in that process rebuild the unity and confidence of America.

We are at a turning point in our history. There are two paths to choose. One is a path I've warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self- interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. That path would be one of constant conflict between narrow interests ending in chaos and immobility. It is a certain route to failure.

All the traditions of our past, all the lessons of our heritage, all the promises of our future point to another path, the path of common purpose and the restoration of American values. That path leads to true freedom for our Nation and ourselves. We can take the first steps down that path as we begin to solve our energy problem.

Energy will be the immediate test of our ability to unite this Nation, and it can also be the standard around which we rally. On the battlefield of energy we can win for our Nation a new confidence, and we can seize control again of our common destiny.

In little more than two decades we've gone from a position of energy independence to one in which almost half the oil we use comes from foreign countries, at prices that are going through the roof. Our excessive dependence on OPEC has already taken a tremendous toll on our economy and our people. This is the direct cause of the long lines which have made millions of you spend aggravating hours waiting for gasoline. It's a cause of the increased inflation and unemployment that we now face. This intolerable dependence on foreign oil threatens our economic independence and the very security of our Nation. The energy crisis is real. It is worldwide. It is a clear and present danger to our Nation. These are facts and we simply must face them.

What I have to say to you now about energy is simple and vitally important Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this Nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 - never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation - long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade—a saving of over 4 1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day. Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my Presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit.

Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our Nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel-from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the Sun.

I propose the creation of an energy security corporation to lead this effort to replace 2 1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day by 1990. The corporation I will issue up to $5 billion in energy bonds, and I especially want them to be in small denominations so that average Americans can invest directly in America's energy security.

Just as a similar synthetic rubber corporation helped us win World War II, so will we mobilize American determination and ability to win the energy war. Moreover, I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this Nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000.

These efforts will cost money, a lot of money, and that is why Congress must enact the windfall profits tax without delay. It will be money well spent. Unlike the billions of dollars that we ship to foreign countries to pay for foreign oil, these funds will be paid by Americans to Americans. These funds will go to fight, not to increase, inflation and unemployment.

Point four: I'm asking Congress to mandate, to require as a matter of law, that our Nation's utility companies cut their massive use of oil by 50 percent within the next decade and switch to other fuels, especially coal, our most abundant energy source.

Point five: To make absolutely certain that nothing stands in the way of achieving these goals, I will urge Congress to create an energy mobilization board which, like the War Production Board in World War II, will have the responsibility and authority to cut through the red tape, the delays, and the endless roadblocks to completing key energy projects.

We will protect our environment. But when this Nation critically needs a refinery or a pipeline, we will build it.

Point six: I'm proposing a bold conservation program to involve every State, county, and city and every average American in our energy battle. This effort will permit you to build conservation into your homes and your lives at a cost you can afford.

I ask Congress to give me authority for mandatory conservation and for standby gasoline rationing. To further conserve energy, I'm proposing tonight an extra $10 billion over the next decade to strengthen our public transportation systems. And I'm asking you for your good and for your Nation's security to take no unnecessary trips, to use carpools or public transportation whenever you can, to park your car one extra day per week, to obey the speed limit, and to set your thermostats to save fuel. Every act of energy conservation like this is more than just common sense - I tell you it is an act of patriotism.

Our Nation must be fair to the poorest among us, so we will increase aid to needy Americans to cope with rising energy prices. We often think of conservation only in terms of sacrifice. In fact, it is the most painless and immediate way of rebuilding our Nation's strength. Every gallon of oil each one of us saves is a new form of production. It gives us more freedom, more confidence, that much more control over our own lives.

So, the solution of our energy crisis can also help us to conquer the crisis of the spirit in our country. It can rekindle our sense of unity, our confidence in the future, and give our Nation and all of us individually a new sense of purpose.

You know we can do it. We have the natural resources. We have more oil in our shale alone than several Saudi Arabias. We have more coal than any nation on Earth. We have the world's highest level of technology. We have the most skilled work force, with innovative genius, and I firmly believe that we have the national will to win this war.

I do not promise you that this struggle for freedom will be easy. I do not promise a quick way out of our Nation's problems, when the truth is that the only way out is an all-out effort. What I do promise you is that I will lead our fight, and I will enforce fairness in our struggle, and I will ensure honesty. And above all, I will act. We can manage the short-term shortages more effectively and we will, but there are no short-term solutions to our long-range problems. There is simply no way to avoid sacrifice.

Twelve hours from now I will speak again in Kansas City, to expand and to explain further our energy program. Just as the search for solutions to our energy shortages has now led us to a new awareness of our Nation's deeper problems, so our willingness to work for those solutions in energy can strengthen us to attack those deeper problems.

I will continue to travel this country, to hear the people of America. You can help me to develop a national agenda for the 1980s. I will listen and I will act. We will act together. These were the promises I made 3 years ago, and I intend to keep them.

Little by little we can and we must rebuild our confidence. We can spend until we empty our treasuries, and we may summon all the wonders of science. But we can succeed only if we tap our greatest resources-America's people, America's values, and America's confidence.

I have seen the strength of America in the inexhaustible resources of our people. In the days to come, let us renew that strength in the struggle for an energy secure nation.

In closing, let me say this: I will do my best, but I will not do it alone. Let your voice be heard. Whenever you have a chance, say something good about our country. With God's help and for the sake of our Nation, it is time for us to join hands in America. Let us commit ourselves together to a rebirth of the American spirit Working together with our common faith we cannot fail.

Thank you and good night.


Obviously, President Carter's speech focused mainly on one of the greatest issues of the 1970s - energy. But I think at the heart of it, at the true heart of it, was a truth that's more relevant today than it ever has been before - the United States is falling apart, and I'd like to add my ideas about why and who caused it now, in the 2010s: The United States are falling apart because we are disunited, distrustful, cynical, and bloated, and it isn't merely the fault of government folly or corporate greed or rightist bigotry or leftist radicalism or white bigotry or black criminality. The blame is ours - it's all of ours. We are all at fault.

Yes, the recession is over, in many respects. We can see the new development and the new expansion of commercialism. Yes, the modern day offers more opportunity than we have ever had before. Now no longer do people have to rely on corporate willingness to take risks to achieve their goals through technology and communication. But for many people, the effects of the recession can still be felt. We still feel like our pocketbooks are light, even though we see more being built every day. We still feel distant and disconnected, even though technology moves faster every day. And despite these new steps of progress, we still remain a society in decay. You could walk into a brand new electronics store and see the new technology, and the new employment, and walk out only to see the same dirtied sidewalks and broken roads.

And above all, the reason this is happening, and the reason nothing is being done, or will ever be done, is that the United States are no longer United. No longer do people see other people. We merely see conservatives or liberals or blacks or whites or gays or straights or men or women or natives or immigrants. We no longer consider ourselves to be a part of a common society. Instead, in the world of globalization, we consider ourselves to be constituents of our own societies - societies that look like us, think like us, feel like us, and act like us. Because we don't feel as the same anymore. And I'm guilty of it, too. As an economically leftist, socially conservative (in the "keep the status quo") sense living in Southern California, I don't feel very much in common with very many people in my country anymore. I feel more in common with Londoners or Parisians than I do with any small-town Joe in Alabama or African-American in Ferguson, and to some extent, even a stock broker in New York. And I'm sure I would seem just as alien to any of those hypothetical people.

Americanism is cheap. National identity is nearly meaningless now, in the Internet age. And while some people may applaud the demolition of national barriers and blind patriotism, and yes, those may be commendable goals, this is the fact of the matter - decay of national identity results in the decay of nations, and the decay of nations result in the decay of societies. And this sentiment isn't just the result of improved communication between peoples, it's the result of a multitude of factors for us Americans - the lack of a truly nationally unifying figure or ideal, the continued breaches of the public trust committed by our governments, especially the Federal one, the growth of distance, both economic and social, between the average American and the upper classes, and the growth in prosperity abroad. Why would we want to be American, after all, when other countries seem to offer the same standard of living with less of the baggage? Why would we want to share a country with people so radically different from us? Why would we desire to reside in a country where the ideal of the self-made man seems to be growing further and further every day?

Our governments, our beliefs systems, and our neighbors haven't given any answers. No one has. Neither our President, nor our Congress, nor our states, nor our mentors, nor our ideals have. What are the American ideals, anyway? No one agrees. Not even the definition of "liberty" has a commonly agreed-on, consensus opinion anymore. There is no more consensus, period. And while we might have been able to escape such questions for a long while, it has become imperative to the continued prosperity of the country that they are answered. The country will survive if they aren't - it surely will. This will not cause a civil war. But the race riots will continue. The shootings will continue. The corruption will continue. The income gaps will grow. The anomie and malaise that has grown to envelop America will come to define it. America, if it hasn't already, will become the old king; once the greatest rider in the land, no longer can he even mount a horse. Instead he contents himself with the pleasures of royal life and the decay of his kingdom, despite knowing that it will never fill the void in his old heart.

No longer do I feel any pride, or shame, at calling myself American. I simply feel a detachment from it and all the meaning the word holds. I distrust my government, I distrust the corporations, I distrust my neighbors, and I distrust my fellow people. They are all alien to me. The leftists think they are a grand, unified bloc, they are not - the contentious split between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in many regions proves that. The rightists think the same, and they are not - the 15 candidates running for the nomination proves that. The mere fact that so many Americans are turning to anti-establishment candidates proves our anger towards the system of anomie and distrust and decay and dehumanization of our fellow Americans, and that we are trying to take steps to stop it - but they might not be successful. This is why the elections of 2016 will prove to be one of the most important in American history - this may be our last stand against this national disunity that envelops us.

So, ultimately, my question to you all is - will things be better in 10 years than they were 10 years ago? Despite this system of discontent, will we finally find a way to break the decay? Will we finally be able to reunify under a common banner for a common cause? Or will the spiral continue, and will America ultimately be relegated to a perpetual state of misery? In all honesty, my opinion is no. I have sincere doubts in the ability of this country to finally reconcile its differences in a peaceable manner, and given the growing radicalism of both the left and right wings, I have very real misgivings about such a thing happening any time soon.


Back in the 1970s, there wasn't nearly as much class resentment as there is today. Back in the 1970s, there wasn't nearly as much income inequality. This reminds me a lot of the pre-French revolution years, where the rich kept getting richer, and the poor... well we all know the story and how it went. I hope and pray it doesn't come down to that, but there is a lot of similar divisiveness between socioeconomic classes (though not as intense) and disunity between Americans and pre-revolution French. Part of this disunity can be attributed to political correctness, since we're now being so heavily trained on recognizing ethical differences (and granting favorable treatment out of these differences) as opposed to treating all humans equally, regardless of whether they're an ethnic minority or majority... if you don't believe me, look at how affirmative action supporters react when, on the basis of merit, employers just so happen to not employ the minorities who applied for certain positions. Race ought not to have ANY FACTOR, in favor or against, for employment or school acceptance. This is how equality works.

Also, look at which classes are recovering from the Great Recession and which ones are not. For all intents and purposes, the recession is still happening for middle class and working class Americans, and the wealthy are pretty much hogging all the revenues for themselves in the post-recession years as the economy recovers. To make matters worse, the government recently approved the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership, and corporations are continually merging and monopolizing various markets. The American people are being screwed over in so many ways right now, and they're getting to be very angry at Washington, but instead of blaming themselves collectively, the American people are blaming the other guys (Republicans or Democrats). I do not see this coming to an end anytime soon, the American people are so polarized and partisan that I think it's worse than at any point in American history. Try holding a political conversation, just a mere basic one, over anything... ANYTHING. It can't happen. People either start engaging in a yelling match, or completely blow you off for trying to hold a substantial conversation. Yet, we wonder why we can't get anything done.

At the end of the day, we've lost our respect, care, and love for one another, collectively as a country. Instead of focusing on 'how can we lift each other up,' the focus is on 'how can I lift myself up' or 'how can I tear down the other guys, the obvious bad guys.' The latter is especially true in both politics and business, and I do not foresee any possibility of anyone in either fields standing out and forcing a peaceful cohesion. Unfortunately, and this is coming from an optimist, the only chance this ends is with how the upcoming generation handles it. Will they embrace differences, or will they cling onto their political ideologies with a blind faith in it and a blind eye for ideas that oppose them? Will they embrace the fact that their socioeconomic status is just that, a status, and that it doesn't determine anything and that wealth isn't everything? Will they be able to see and understand and even compromise with the other guys? This is perhaps the biggest one yet... Will they be able to put the blame on themselves and not the other guys in the first place? We are in a position where the environment demands our utmost attention, our national debt cannot possibly be ignored or passed further down the road any longer, and the United States is seeing a rivalry brewing between itself and China. Our national security and continuity hinges on how we react to these situations, and so far.... things look God awful ugly. I also don't see the upcoming generations doing anything but contributing to the problems.

The situation is getting worse each and every day. Democrats hope and pray and plot for the demise of the Republicans, and Republicans hope and pray and plot for the demise of the Democrats. We put more money and emphasis on opportunities for disunity, and electing to ignore opportunities for unity. We put more attention on politician scandals and the Kardashians then we do on Christians being beheaded by Islamic terrorists. We are quick to share a cat internet meme, but we painfully debate whether we ought to donate to a charity or a local movement. We have become SO self-centered, that we managed to make both obesity AND hunger national pandemics...AT THE SAME TIME. Congratulations, America, on how the hell you managed to achieve that. This is the America of the 21st century, and we deserve every bit of it.
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Postby Seleucas » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:26 am

Cata Larga wrote:So, ultimately, my question to you all is - will things be better in 10 years than they were 10 years ago? Despite this system of discontent, will we finally find a way to break the decay? Will we finally be able to reunify under a common banner for a common cause? Or will the spiral continue, and will America ultimately be relegated to a perpetual state of misery? In all honesty, my opinion is no. I have sincere doubts in the ability of this country to finally reconcile its differences in a peaceable manner, and given the growing radicalism of both the left and right wings, I have very real misgivings about such a thing happening any time soon.


It will get worse. The US can't just keep creating financial bubbles to keep itself floating forever, especially not with the colossal financialization that has been occurring for the last few decades. And the petrodollar is already starting to show signs of strain despite the best attempts at arm-twisting the Middle East into compliance.

The best case scenario is a stagnation in my standard of living, but that's probably asking for too much.
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Postby Romalae » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:59 am

The OP reads like a nice piece of rhetoric, but the overarching point is too dramatic for me. It takes too much of a leap. Just because there are problems in present day America does not mean the country is declining or decaying. This country has had significant political and social issues at basically every point of its existence. Things will just keep rolling right along.
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Postby The Confederal Republic of Tayas » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:07 am

FutureAmerica wrote:Carter was an idiot that hurt the country and the world. Reagan then won by a landslide. Please no more presidents from the American South or the US is doomed.


Shut your fucking mouth.

Let's review some presidents from the South, shall we?

1. George Washington
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison
5. James Monroe
7. Andrew Jackson
11. James K. Polk

(weak Civil War era presidents... and Lincoln)

28. Woodrow Wilson
33. Harry S. Truman

(Cold War, rise of neoconservatism)

Now, I will actually move on to respond to OP...

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Postby Eol Sha » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:45 am

The Confederal Republic of Tayas wrote:
FutureAmerica wrote:Carter was an idiot that hurt the country and the world. Reagan then won by a landslide. Please no more presidents from the American South or the US is doomed.


Shut your fucking mouth.

Let's review some presidents from the South, shall we?

1. George Washington
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison
5. James Monroe
7. Andrew Jackson
11. James K. Polk

(weak Civil War era presidents... and Lincoln)

28. Woodrow Wilson
33. Harry S. Truman

(Cold War, rise of neoconservatism)

Now, I will actually move on to respond to OP...

Clinton was Governor of Arkansas and Bush was Governor of Texas, albeit born in Connecticut.
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Postby The Confederal Republic of Tayas » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:54 am

Is the United States decaying?

Not really.

It has been a consistent trend, throughout American history, to be patriotic and happy, when the economy is strong. People aren't particularly vocal about their political opinions, and are usually fairly content with the status quo. But when it takes a turn for the worse, the American people are at each others' throats. Those opposing political views become the enemy, because that view, and the sections of the countries that adhere to it the strongest caused the issue--or so we feel. It's scapegoating. Downturns in the economy result in more radical candidates for political office and a sharp divide in the populace. This is normal for republics. We just need to be careful of what candidates are saying--which is something, for all the media's enraging faults, is extremely good at. There is very little chance of Donald Trump being the next Adolf Hitler or Bernie Sanders the next Josef Stalin, because we are very desperately afraid of tyrannical government and people that would see it come into existence, and the media watches their political-party-the-news-outlet-is-not-aligned-with candidate like a hawk, trying to blow apart a candidate with any ammunition they make available.

Now, some previous posters have mentioned a growth in income inequality and similarities to the circumstances of the French Revolution, but I do not think we have any absolute monarchs that claim the divine right to rule during an era of political and social upheaval. I'm a right-libertarian that looks favorably upon the idea of government non-intervention in social and economic issues, and is really bothered by the federal trampling of the sovereignty of states, but I also am concerned by the growth of multinational conglomerate corporations. I do actually support some measures such as taxing superstores (i.e. Walmart) to protect small businesses and encourage spending in such establishments (perhaps they may grow into larger chains of their own?), and even an inheritance tax on the wealthy, but all in all I'm strongly pro-business. I truly think that most socioeconomic issues can be solved through social and economic pressures instead of legislation--I find government interference into such things as needless nannying of a society and quite possibly overly punitive of the successful, and that the best tax code is that of a flat tax matching government spending of percent GDP (i.e. government spends 20% of GDP, tax is a 20% income tax for everyone), except for said inheritance tax, and a tax break for the wealthy for investing in business startups. Many people are bound to disagree with my views, and that's actually quite healthy for a republic such as ours. :)

Anyway, I genuinely believe that human progress means that as time marches on, so does the human race, improving our lives one day at a time. If you cave to the quite frankly apocalyptic sensationalism both our society and our media are frighteningly prone to, just remember that times were worse in the past. And if we seem divided, it's because we are--it's natural for groups with differing ideas to feud. America's left and right, North and South, East and West, and subdivisions within all of those, always have and always will have beef with one another. What overcomes those divides and unifies the American people is both the collective American culture and national identity--be the latter latent or realized--and the threat of and outside enemy. "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" definitely applies, which is why nations are so unified when at war with a country that represents a threat to the nation (or perceived threat). This is why the War on Terror hasn't really done anything to unify us past the first year of its progress, when 9/11 was still very fresh in people's minds. Personally I don't really support the Iraq war, not for the same reasons as the left, but because it's not our business to be over there interfering in their affairs, and we shouldn't shed American blood for people who quite frankly don't care (same with Vietnam... although that's really a tougher issue, since us and the USSR were igniting proxy wars everywhere to try and secure political and ideological influence over the world...). Bomb ISIS with drones--it's a good idea--but no boots on the ground. Anyway, this is a tangent.

The point is, the US seems divided because it is, but it always has been, especially when the economy is in the dumps. Our culture is what defines and unifies us as a people, even if "American" can be easily and almost infinitely subdivided (e.g. Southern, Texan, Central Texan...). Outside threats unify a nation, for their duration, but really and truly, the linchpin of American unity and cooperation is the economy, and their identity, the American culture. In my opinion, states don't really form cultures--cultures form states. Said states can expand and bring their culture to new areas (read: America, Rome), but the point still stands. Just remember, in any case, that any one issue is not "the end"-- progress, and American progress, marches on. :)

Eol Sha wrote:Clinton was Governor of Arkansas and Bush was Governor of Texas, albeit born in Connecticut.
'

I assumed the Bushes were covered under the "neocon" label, but I seemed to have missed Clinton. My bad.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:20 am

Late to this topic, but I have hope that, as class relations deteriorate, that Americans may well return to their originally more revolutionary identity and be willing to actually do something about it.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sun Oct 25, 2015 11:22 am

Lydenburg wrote:Yanks - especially all of you educated, white, middle class suburbanites - if you're ever tempted to bemoan the "collapse" of your country, kindly bear in mind that not all of us have it half as good as you do.

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Given humanity is already dead I fail to see why we should take in their opinions?
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