Boxing should be Banned

[Galnius]

No it is not.

The military's purpose is to protect the rights of the people and to protect the people. If you go around banning shit, and the military turned on that government, then it would not be an act of dishonor. They would be fulfilling their purpose.

no the military isn't supposed to have a say in policy, that's the prerogative of the legislature

It is supposed to protect the people, and the military is also full of independent, free minds you know...

[Infected Mushroom]

What do you mean?

You said "It is simply a paid-to-fight paid-to-entertain unethical business" and I asked what if you don't train to fight professionally for money? I've trained quite a few different styles and I'm going to keep doing that but I have no intention of doing it for a job or for money. Why should I be banned from legally doing that?

training for self-defense or as part of a police/military training program is fine, but utilising boxing as spectacle isn't

[Washington Resistance Army]

You said "It is simply a paid-to-fight paid-to-entertain unethical business" and I asked what if you don't train to fight professionally for money? I've trained quite a few different styles and I'm going to keep doing that but I have no intention of doing it for a job or for money. Why should I be banned from legally doing that?

training for self-defense or as part of a police/military training program is fine, but utilising boxing as spectacle isn't

Cool, so you don't want to ban it then.

[Infected Mushroom]

training for self-defense or as part of a police/military training program is fine, but utilising boxing as spectacle isn't

Cool, so you don't want to ban it then.

I primarily meant boxing as in the boxing done for entertainment/commercial purposes

[Petrolheadia]

Slightly offtopic: I'm not a hater of women, but reading your threads I start to think that they should stay in the kitchen.

[Noraika]

it is a blood sport, people have died and been injured, and it involves punching each other

also, people have literally bled

I know! Its awesome right~?
The more bloody the better. I don't see how blood in a sport inevitably makes it worthy of a ban. Let the blood flow~ <3

In all seriousness, I fail to see how a blood sport, or blood or death in a sport, is intrinsically immoral, and even then that is a subjective assumption (in my point as well). I would, however, for the sake of hearing an argument contrary to my own, like to hear the precise and complex reasonings behind your conclusion: that blood sports, and particularly those between human beings, are intrinsically immoral.

Looking forward to your response~ :-3

[Protestant England and Germany]

How did this go from a question on is there a moral reason for banning boxing to a discussion of the Military?

Though, as a ROTC cadet, I am going to throw my 2 cents on the subject and say that the US Military does have the ability to overthrow the government though it is illegal, especially if the president orders it to occupy congress. And any General, or high ranking officer, who orders it would become a traitor and be subject to the lawful use of the death penalty.

[Baldapehlva]

This is like one of those cases where the defense has incredible stacks upon stacks of evidence able to reach Pluto and yet.....the prosecution keeps attacking them with nonsensical "crucial pieces of evidence." IM, get you conservative brain out of the clouds.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

"Extend our protection"? If "protection" is not willingly accepted, it's called something else.

harm prevention = protection

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

[The Two Jerseys]

We havent yet, and we never will, unless the U.S. becomes totilatarian, which would cause the army to turn on the government, and just eject the ban and ideas anyway. Nice idealism though

enforcing laws =/= totalitarianism

also, I doubt the military would act with such dishonour

Of course they wouldn't...

[New confederate ramenia]

enforcing laws =/= totalitarianism

also, I doubt the military would act with such dishonour

Of course they wouldn't...

This isn't a military coup. It's a secession.

[Infected Mushroom]

harm prevention = protection

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Your first source openly says organized crime flourished under prohibition, that isn't very convincing.

[The Two Jerseys]

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Your first source openly says organized crime flourished under prohibition, that isn't very convincing.

His third source is a reprint of his second source.
His fourth source is literally a letter to the editor.

Sorry, IM, you get an F for this assignment.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Your first source openly says organized crime flourished under prohibition, that isn't very convincing.

Organized crime, not to mention that in their search for imbibing alcohol, people started producing their own booze and several met with very bad ends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibiti ... d_supplies

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

The Volstead act was largely hated through the general population.

The bottom line: Trying to ban boxing is a terrible idea. Crowds love it, and the participants presumably enjoy it. Even if they don't like it and are only doing it for the money, well, hell, you are describing almost any job anywhere.

Will you try and stop things like SCA combat or historical swordsmanship? There is no practical reason for learning those arts, as they celebrate the dead skill of swordsmanship. But people do it in droves because it's fun.

[The Two Jerseys]

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Is the War on Drugs largely successful as well?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, that was what the US thought when it instituted prohibition. Tell me, how well did that work?

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Prohibition was largely a failure.
CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/prohibition ... xperiment/
Cato Institute, 1991: http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/f ... /pa157.pdf
Walter Coffey: https://waltercoffey.wordpress.com/2012 ... on-failed/
PBS: http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition ... sequences/
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesi ... rev1.shtml
JStore: http://www.jstor.org/stable/30094754?se ... b_contents
NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/opini ... .html?_r=0

[BK117B2]

Contrary to popular opinion, prohibition was largely successful (and only ended because of political, rather than enforcement issues)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470475/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html
http://alcap.com/files/66/Themes/Prohib ... ss%202.pdf
http://www.nysun.com/comments/29611

Is the War on Drugs largely successful as well?

Yes. Cartels, gangs, and terrorist organizations are making a lot of money with it.

Less successful for the rest of us

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

"Police will deal with that".

Like with Marijuana, prohibition, etc.? Yeah no.

the prohibition on alcohol was a success but was pulled back because of political reasons

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html

Alcohol prohibition was a total failure, you would have to be dense not to see that.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

You said "It is simply a paid-to-fight paid-to-entertain unethical business" and I asked what if you don't train to fight professionally for money? I've trained quite a few different styles and I'm going to keep doing that but I have no intention of doing it for a job or for money. Why should I be banned from legally doing that?

training for self-defense or as part of a police/military training program is fine, but utilising boxing as spectacle isn't

You seem to have contradicted yourself again. So it's totally cool for one to be okay, but not the other?

[In-outheart]

It is their choice to die or not. But I prefer more safety protection like for helmet and stuff. Called modernization of boxing I guess

[SD_Film Artists]

I thought it already was banned.....no wait..it's actually just kept on premium/pay-per-view stations where it's only watched by hardcore fans until a "big fight" with a "big rivalry" comes along and normal people become interested in it for as long as the trash-talk train keeps rolling and then the sport falls into obscurity again.

[Hurdegaryp]

Is the War on Drugs largely successful as well?

Yes. Cartels, gangs, and terrorist organizations are making a lot of money with it.

Less successful for the rest of us

Well, many people in police departments build their careers on valiantly fighting the narcotic menage, keeping prices high on the streets and business profitable for the drug lords. Your tax money at work, ladies and gentlemen!

[Infected Mushroom]

the prohibition on alcohol was a success but was pulled back because of political reasons

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opini ... ccess.html

Alcohol prohibition was a total failure, you would have to be dense not to see that.

No, my sources say otherwise

its an oft-repeated but erroneous statement as part of the legalisation propaganda