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Postby Jochistan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Jochistan wrote:It's fighting. they know what they sign onto.


Possibly. But why should we let them?

Because it's a productive way of channeling life's difficulties into exercise, practice and skill.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:28 pm

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Infected Mushroom wrote:
Possibly. But why should we let them?


Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important
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Postby Rubor Dolor » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:30 pm

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Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should be allowed to take such risks


I agree. How pleasant.

it can result in serious brain damage and death


Yes it can.

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important


Autonomy is the ethical baseline which you need to provide enough evidence and persuasion to overcome. You're failing to do so.

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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:30 pm

Why?

Take the Mckamey Manor for example, a horrible legal torture "haunted house". Yet people sign a waiver and go anyways knowing the risks.

Same with boxing, why stop people from doing what they want with their bodies? Seems like any other ban this cause I find it offensive law.

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Postby Jochistan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:31 pm

Lockdownn wrote:Why?

Take the Mckamey Manor for example, a horrible legal torture "haunted house". Yet people sign a waiver and go anyways knowing the risks.

Same with boxing, why stop people from doing what they want with their bodies? Seems like any other ban this cause I find it offensive law.

Your rights end when other peoples feels do, I guess.
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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:34 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:Why?

Take the Mckamey Manor for example, a horrible legal torture "haunted house". Yet people sign a waiver and go anyways knowing the risks.

Same with boxing, why stop people from doing what they want with their bodies? Seems like any other ban this cause I find it offensive law.

Your rights end when other peoples feels do, I guess.

And that's the case with this shitty open ended document called "the constitution". Of course, if you live in America.

But why ban it if it doesn't effect you? You don't like it, don't participate.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:36 pm

Making threads about banning should be banned.
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Postby Jochistan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:37 pm

Lockdownn wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Your rights end when other peoples feels do, I guess.

And that's the case with this shitty open ended document called "the constitution". Of course, if you live in America.

But why ban it if it doesn't effect you? You don't like it, don't participate.

Well, that attitude could lead places where a society shouldn't go, I think.

But in the case of Sports that involve consenting people, yes. Don't like it, oh fucking well.
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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:39 pm

As a matter of fact, people like boxing. As well as people who like foot ball, base ball, basketball, etc...There are associated risks that people are most of the time aware of before participating.

You like boxing? Go ahead, I could care less. You get a concussion? Tough shit, you participated.

Just let them do what they want for christs sake.

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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:40 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:And that's the case with this shitty open ended document called "the constitution". Of course, if you live in America.

But why ban it if it doesn't effect you? You don't like it, don't participate.

Well, that attitude could lead places where a society shouldn't go, I think.

But in the case of Sports that involve consenting people, yes. Don't like it, oh fucking well.

I just think that things, in a perfect society, would be somewhat clarified, but hey. xD

And if you get injured, well, it's your fault you participated.

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Postby Hastiaka » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:42 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rubor Dolor wrote:
Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important


During boxing matches, especially by Manny, crime rate > 0 and accidents are virtually unknown.

People get to live for a day.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rubor Dolor wrote:
Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important

By that metric, you should be banned from starting threads.
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Postby Plvtowia » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:47 pm

I have always loved the sport. But yes, it should be banned...

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Postby Empire of Donner land » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:53 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rubor Dolor wrote:
Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important

Because our current constitution says we're allowed to say and do stupid shit as long as it isn't Illegal. And as long as that's in place. People will continue to say and do stupid shit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:56 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rubor Dolor wrote:
Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important


I could die from a countless number of things if I leave my house, should I be banned from doing that?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important


I could die from a countless number of things if I leave my house, should I be banned from doing that?


it depends on a case by case basis, but that is not always the only factor depending on what we are talking about

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:00 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Rubor Dolor wrote:
Autonomy in competent individuals who understand the risks and feel the benefits outweigh the negatives. As this is also true on a societal level we allow it.


people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important

At that rate nobody should be allowed to take part in any sport since they can all result in brain damage and death.
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Postby The Free Territory of Rothbardia » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:02 pm

LULZ @ left-leaning statist/protectionist.

Give one good reason why 2 consenting adults should not have the right to punch each other in the head?

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important


I could die from a countless number of things if I leave my house, should I be banned from doing that?

According to IM's logic, humans shouldn't even exist since life itself is so dangerous *nods*
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Postby Jochistan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:03 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important

At that rate nobody should be allowed to take part in any sport since they can all result in brain damage and death.

...my God!

Ohio's Got it!

*New Thread: Ban Sports*
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:04 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I could die from a countless number of things if I leave my house, should I be banned from doing that?

According to IM's logic, humans shouldn't even exist since life itself is so dangerous *nods*


No. Principles do not operate in a complete vacum.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:04 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
people should not* be allowed to take such risks, it can result in serious brain damage and death

I fail to see why autonomy in this specific case should be so important

At that rate nobody should be allowed to take part in any sport since they can all result in brain damage and death.


it would in part depend on whether or not the statistics of injury are comparable to those of boxing if we're talking about recreational sports
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Postby The State of Missouri » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:07 pm

Are you sure you aren't a troll?

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Postby Jochistan » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:08 pm

Look, if you really think that Boxing is that bad, you haven't seen anything. Boxing isn't just some ridiculous bloodsport, As I stated before, its a martial art.

It turns violence into something productive. Not only Productive, but healthy. Are there Injuries, Yeah. Life has injuries too.
And sometimes, getting hurt is well worth the risk of enjoyment.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, My White Lightning is up next in the cockfighting ring.

c'mere, Whitey

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:10 pm

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:According to IM's logic, humans shouldn't even exist since life itself is so dangerous *nods*


No. Principles do not operate in a complete vacum.


Then explain the principles and the context of these principles. You have failed to do so in the OP.
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