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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:34 pm

So the solution to sexism in sports commentary is to ban the sport rather than try to have people treated as equal.

Logic. Not even once.

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Postby Stellonia » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:34 pm

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Reploid Productions wrote:Please do not presume to speak for me or other women. Speak for yourself all you like, but do not presume that any or all women even remotely agree with your misandrist drivel.

Women box. Women wrestle. Women play hockey, women play soccer, women race, women compete in MMA. Rather than banning something because it's ohnoes teh violents, we ought to be pushing for equal treatment and media coverage of women in sports.


Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf

This study examined how ringside commentary in professional wrestling matches continues to perpetuate stereotypical gender roles. This study used a content analysis method to examine ten pre-recorded matches—five female and five male matches—within a span of sixteen years. The study analyzed the commentary from announcers at ringside—commentary about sexuality and athletic ability was the focus of the study. The study concentrated on four hypotheses and each assumed that in all instances a woman’s sexuality would be more likely to be mentioned than a man’s sexuality. Conversely, a woman’s athletic ability would be mentioned less than a man’s athletic ability. The analysis revealed results that supported all the hypotheses and found similar results as previous research. The study found that hegemonic ideas about femininity and masculinity continued to be reinforced through the sport, and more specifically through professional wrestling.


This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
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If you feel that something is offensive to a particular group, deal with it.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:34 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Please do not presume to speak for me or other women. Speak for yourself all you like, but do not presume that any or all women even remotely agree with your misandrist drivel.

Women box. Women wrestle. Women play hockey, women play soccer, women race, women compete in MMA. Rather than banning something because it's ohnoes teh violents, we ought to be pushing for equal treatment and media coverage of women in sports.


Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf

Women in Wrestling: Stereotypes, Gender Bias and Inequality

This study examined how ringside commentary in professional wrestling matches continues to perpetuate stereotypical gender roles. This study used a content analysis method to examine ten pre-recorded matches—five female and five male matches—within a span of sixteen years. The study analyzed the commentary from announcers at ringside—commentary about sexuality and athletic ability was the focus of the study. The study concentrated on four hypotheses and each assumed that in all instances a woman’s sexuality would be more likely to be mentioned than a man’s sexuality. Conversely, a woman’s athletic ability would be mentioned less than a man’s athletic ability. The analysis revealed results that supported all the hypotheses and found similar results as previous research. The study found that hegemonic ideas about femininity and masculinity continued to be reinforced through the sport, and more specifically through professional wrestling.


This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93

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Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?
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Postby Ragnarheim » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:35 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf




This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93

Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?


F*ck's sake! Really?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:35 pm

Stellonia wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf



This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93


If you feel that something is offensive to a particular group, deal with it.


well, requesting a change in the law is another route to go

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Postby Valderking » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:35 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Please do not presume to speak for me or other women. Speak for yourself all you like, but do not presume that any or all women even remotely agree with your misandrist drivel.

Women box. Women wrestle. Women play hockey, women play soccer, women race, women compete in MMA. Rather than banning something because it's ohnoes teh violents, we ought to be pushing for equal treatment and media coverage of women in sports.


Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf

Women in Wrestling: Stereotypes, Gender Bias and Inequality

This study examined how ringside commentary in professional wrestling matches continues to perpetuate stereotypical gender roles. This study used a content analysis method to examine ten pre-recorded matches—five female and five male matches—within a span of sixteen years. The study analyzed the commentary from announcers at ringside—commentary about sexuality and athletic ability was the focus of the study. The study concentrated on four hypotheses and each assumed that in all instances a woman’s sexuality would be more likely to be mentioned than a man’s sexuality. Conversely, a woman’s athletic ability would be mentioned less than a man’s athletic ability. The analysis revealed results that supported all the hypotheses and found similar results as previous research. The study found that hegemonic ideas about femininity and masculinity continued to be reinforced through the sport, and more specifically through professional wrestling.


This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93

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by feminist activist, do you mean crazy radical feminist who does nothing but complain about the patriarchy all day?
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Postby Doom Legions » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:36 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf




This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93

Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?

Still has better acting than in Twilight :^)
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:37 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Stellonia wrote:If you feel that something is offensive to a particular group, deal with it.


well, requesting a change in the law is another route to go

Good luck with that.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:37 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Stellonia wrote:If you feel that something is offensive to a particular group, deal with it.


well, requesting a change in the law is another route to go



And when the change is denied (and ridiculed), then you just deal with it?
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:38 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Please do not presume to speak for me or other women. Speak for yourself all you like, but do not presume that any or all women even remotely agree with your misandrist drivel.

Women box. Women wrestle. Women play hockey, women play soccer, women race, women compete in MMA. Rather than banning something because it's ohnoes teh violents, we ought to be pushing for equal treatment and media coverage of women in sports.


Thre's nothing misandrist in my thoughts.
Something about why wrestling is bad for women
http://www.csus.edu/wac/journal/2013/Ca ... _Draft.pdf

Women in Wrestling: Stereotypes, Gender Bias and Inequality

This study examined how ringside commentary in professional wrestling matches continues to perpetuate stereotypical gender roles. This study used a content analysis method to examine ten pre-recorded matches—five female and five male matches—within a span of sixteen years. The study analyzed the commentary from announcers at ringside—commentary about sexuality and athletic ability was the focus of the study. The study concentrated on four hypotheses and each assumed that in all instances a woman’s sexuality would be more likely to be mentioned than a man’s sexuality. Conversely, a woman’s athletic ability would be mentioned less than a man’s athletic ability. The analysis revealed results that supported all the hypotheses and found similar results as previous research. The study found that hegemonic ideas about femininity and masculinity continued to be reinforced through the sport, and more specifically through professional wrestling.


This is a very serious study by Jessica Castellon and Farah Nasir, from California State University, Sacramento.
Jessica Castellon is a Feminist activist, not a misandrist
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jessica-ca ... 61/181/a93

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Coordinate and oversee educational programming, including an annual Empowerment Conference, Vagina: Ourstories, the Davis Feminist Film Festival,

You do realize professional wrestling is fake, right?

They're all actors, and the fights are all scripted and staged.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:40 pm

Doom Legions wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?

Still has better acting than in Twilight :^)

:rofl:
Ragnarheim wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?


F*ck's sake! Really?

Dream ruined.

I know, I was heartbroken when I watched the Olympics and realized that the losing American wrestler couldn't have Mr. T and Hulk Hogan jump in the ring and beat that Kazakh guy to a pulp...
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Postby Valderking » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:41 pm

Doom Legions wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Um, you do know that professional wrestling is fake, right?

Still has better acting than in Twilight :^)

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:41 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
well, requesting a change in the law is another route to go

Good luck with that.


and I thank you for it

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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Good luck with that.


and I thank you for it

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:42 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Doom Legions wrote:Still has better acting than in Twilight :^)

:rofl:
Ragnarheim wrote:
F*ck's sake! Really?

Dream ruined.

I know, I was heartbroken when I watched the Olympics and realized that the losing American wrestler couldn't have Mr. T and Hulk Hogan jump in the ring and beat that Kazakh guy to a pulp...

If only Macho Man was still here. :(

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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:42 pm

Boxing should be banned, taxes should be banned. What shouldn't be banned at this point which cannot be gerrymandered into some form of exploitation?

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:43 pm

So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:44 pm

"I believe that boxing should be banned. It would be for the boxers' own good."

Except you know, the boxers choose to do this as a way to pay the bills. By banning boxing your putting these people out of the job and destroying a rather profitable industry. So yeah.

Also if you ban it, underground illegal boxing matches will ensue. Obviously.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:46 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.

Silence, heretic!

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Postby Asyir » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:47 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.

And Jousting.

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Kaboomlandia wrote:So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.

Ban everything where physical fighting can and will ensue.


Hell, ban debating too.
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:47 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:"I believe that boxing should be banned. It would be for the boxers' own good."

Except you know, the boxers choose to do this as a way to pay the bills. By banning boxing your putting these people out of the job and destroying a rather profitable industry. So yeah.

Also if you ban it, underground illegal boxing matches will ensue. Obviously.

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Postby Galnius » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:49 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:The evils of Boxing cannot be understated. Since 1980, around 200 people involved in boxing have died during training or battle in the ring. Contrary to popular belief, protective headgear does NOT prevent the long-term and short-term high risk of brain damage.

It is abhorrent that we have gotten rid of the Colosseum but maintain boxing. The fact that it ''entertains'' people is a very dark commentary on what Western society has devolved into. Society should not allow profiteers (match hosts, corporations, advertisers etc) to make big bucks by encouraging and promoting people to fight each other as a spectacle. People have gotten hurt and will continue to get hurt; it is also a shameless promotion of violence and physicality, tasteless in all respects.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/54187 ... of-boxing/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing#Medical_concerns
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... dangerous/

I believe that boxing should be banned. It would be for the boxers' own good.

What do you think?

I believe that a. Get an exact number if deaths or I will assume that is a random numeral, b. In high school football a much greater amount of teens are put into comes or retain serious injuries that may lead to death, c. Racing in most forms have a higher death rate EACH, d. The colluseum was done y slaves and not willing participants, and e. I feel as if things like the insane amount of taxation and the fact that the u.s. has the highest amount if prisoners per capita should be addressed far before dressing willing participants in a game of brawn.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:50 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.

Ban everything where physical fighting can and will ensue.

Great, so let's ban all contact sports, including motor racing, baseball, basketball, soccer.

Not to mention you'd have to disband Parliaments after brawls.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:50 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:So, you ban boxing. Then you also have to ban the much more violent hockey fights, and let's not go into that debate. Hockey fights are barehanded, between two huge men on skates, yet where's the debate on banning that altogether? Ridiculous.

To be fair, there actually is. It's not super popular with the players and a lot of fans, but the debate is there. Fighting has noticeably dropped since the 80's, when the Broad Street Bullies era was finished.

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