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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:42 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?

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Postby Chessmistress » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:43 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?


Yeah, I'm serious.
I even updated the message: I think that even rugby and american football should be made non-contact.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:43 pm

Chessmistress wrote:because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


You're automatically equating a sport to a show of masculinity, just because it's rather rough?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:43 pm

Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing and I would hold no continued objection.

That sounds sensible to me.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:43 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?

The answer you should know by now is that, unfortunately, she most likely is serious.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?


Yeah, I'm serious.
I even updated the message: I think that even rugby and american football should be made non-contact.

Why should they be non-contact?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

What? No way, ex-Rugby player here, just make Rugby more inclusive for women (already being done) and discourage people from going 'HAHAHAHAHHHA LOOK HOW BIG THAT PROP IS SHE LOOKS LIKE A MAN HAHAHAHAHHAA' (work in progress).

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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


You're automatically equating a sport to a show of masculinity, just because it's rather rough?

Apparently Ronda Rousey doesn't exist.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

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Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing and I would hold no continued objection.

That sounds sensible to me.


How about if you think a sport is dangerous, you don't participate in it?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?


Yeah, I'm serious.
I even updated the message: I think that even rugby and american football should be made non-contact.

So how the hell are you meant to stop the opposing team from winning? Yell at them?

You have not got a clue what you are talking about, this would be the death of every single one of those sports, unless of course that is what you want since they "promote toxic masculinity" apparently.
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Postby Chessmistress » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing and I would hold no continued objection.

That sounds sensible to me.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:45 pm

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200 people could have been alive longer if they did not tragically meet their fate in a state-sanctioned entertainment of pure violence, and many people today would not have brain damage or wrist injuries from boxing

Those 200 people knew the risks they took. They consented.


and they didn't end up in a very good place, we could and should have prevented
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing

Then it's not boxing. It's like calling something hockey but removing the sticks, nets, puck and Don Cherry and calling it hockey.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:45 pm

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Tell me this, do you have a right to dictate what people do or do not do? Do you think you have a right to ban things just because you, personally, do not like them? Because I hate guns. That however doesn't give me an absolute right to tell others not to use guns, especially when it's their protected right.


Rights are what are recognised under the law

And under the current state of the law, the power to ban boxing would lie with the legislature and not with me personally. So no, as of now, I do not have a legally recognised ''right'' to ban something.

But I'm not sure where this really gets us to.

If you needed to have a ''right'' to implement every single policy suggestion to suggest it (ex legalising gay marriage or abortion rights) then we would never have any legitimate suggestions; I'm not sure we want to go down that road

Having a legal right/power to implement a solution is not a necessary prerequisite to suggesting it


You're suggesting a "fix" for a non-issue. Just on account of your personal distaste. Like you always do. Dogs, suits, paid public bathrooms, people who talk at the theater. Do you know how ridiculous those ideas of yours sound to reasonable people? Stop wasting people's time with non issues just because you don't like something.
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Postby Olthar » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:45 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.


I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing and I would hold no continued objection.

That sounds sensible to me.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:46 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?


Yeah, I'm serious.
I even updated the message: I think that even rugby and american football should be made non-contact.


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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:46 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Trust me, the interesting stories involving my left testicle and its desire to turn into a twizzler is something I'd rather have avoided.


When I'm in a wheelchair due to the injuries I have sustained in my lifetime, I want to make sure I have as many interesting stories to tell my grandkids as possible.

I thought you'd already have plenty of stories involving your quest to find the golden taco of El Dorado.

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Postby Torisakia » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:46 pm

Chessmistress wrote:I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.

A non-contact version of boxing would pretty much take away the entire goal of the sport, which is to weaken your opponent. That might as well just be a pillow fight.

Chessmistress wrote:Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.

You mean tag rugby and flag football?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:46 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing and I would hold no continued objection.

That sounds sensible to me.


Thank you very much.
Indeed, I'm a Feminist, and Feminism is all about sensibility and non-violence.


If it was all about sensibility, you would respect people's choice to do what they want to do with their own bodies (in this case participate in boxing), no?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

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Asyir wrote:Those 200 people knew the risks they took. They consented.


and they didn't end up in a very good place, we could and should have prevented


The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
200 people could have been alive longer if they did not tragically meet their fate in a state-sanctioned entertainment of pure violence, and many people today would not have brain damage or wrist injuries from boxing

And a good number of these people died from injuries and damage caused in American football, why arnt we banning it as well?

Or how about the ones on this list who died from playing Ice Hockey? Should we ban it?

These 10 people died from incidents in Cricket, should we ban it as well?

All of those people who died in Boxing consented to taking part in the sport, they knew the risks as did all of these other people who died in the sports above. They were not forced to do it.


The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
No, other sports are not blatantly violent and harmful

Ice Hockey, Martial Arts, Rugby, Wrestling (and i mean actual wrestling), Hurling, American Football.

People have suffered massive and longlasting injuries or died in all of those sports, many of them on the same level as Boxing. Basic research would show this.

So why dont you ban them?

So you just going to keep ignoring these posts then?
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Postby Val Halla » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

So boxing will just be stacking boxes?
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
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Yeah, I'm serious.
I even updated the message: I think that even rugby and american football should be made non-contact.


I see a future of competitive rock paper scissors.

Still too violent. Rocks and scissors can encourage violent competitive behaviour and reinforce toxic masculinity.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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I would be okay with this suggestion. So long as you remove the dangerous violence, you can continue to call it boxing

Then it's not boxing. It's like calling something hockey but removing the sticks, nets, puck and Don Cherry and calling it hockey.

Better remove the ice too, someone could slip on that!
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Postby Asyir » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

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Asyir wrote:Those 200 people knew the risks they took. They consented.


and they didn't end up in a very good place, we could and should have prevented

No we couldn't. Boxing would become an underground ring, where more people would die.

We once tried banning alcohol for safety/morality. How well did that work?
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