Boxing should be Banned

[Ragnarheim]

I have zero problem with boxing or UFC or any sports along those lines. What you see as an act of shameless violence, many see as a contest of physicality and wills. If people want to box, let them. It's not as if one lad is smashing the shit out of another unwilling participant.

[Reploid Productions]

I've noticed the OP has somewhat of a history of posting ludicrous suggestions and ideas like this one. I can't help but wonder if it's a creative form of attention-seeking or self-affirmation. My other explanation to this is that the OP is simply on the NS payroll, deliberately making ludicrous posts to stir up debate and keep the activity on NSG going.

It's just bad business to pay people to post absurd debate subjects when the market is already over-saturated with free labor ready and willing to offer their services.

As for the topic, no, boxing shouldn't be banned. Any sport is going to have its inherent dangers, many of which can and have been mitigated to a reasonable point through the use of required safety equipment or conduct regulations. "For their own good" is by itself a completely shitty justification for banning anything, especially when such a ban would only give rise to completely unregulated illegal fight clubs that would see a much higher level of serious injuries and fatalities than the current and heavily regulated legal version.

[The Holy Therns]

I'm starting to think IM puts out random words on a dart pad and calls for a ban on whatever he hits first.

[Ashmoria]

The evils of Boxing cannot be understated. Since 1980, around 200 people involved in boxing have died during training or battle in the ring. Contrary to popular belief, protective headgear does NOT prevent the long-term and short-term high risk of brain damage.

It is abhorrent that we have gotten rid of the Colosseum but maintain boxing. The fact that it ''entertains'' people is a very dark commentary on what Western society has devolved into. Society should not allow profiteers (match hosts, corporations, advertisers etc) to make big bucks by encouraging and promoting people to fight each other as a spectacle. People have gotten hurt and will continue to get hurt; it is also a shameless promotion of violence and physicality, tasteless in all respects.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/54187 ... of-boxing/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing#Medical_concerns
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... dangerous/

I believe that boxing should be banned. It would be for the boxers' own good.

What do you think?

I heard a proposal that we ban boxing gloves instead. that would make hitting someone's head as hard as you can too dangerous to the integrity of the bones in your hands.

id like to try that before banning it altogether.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

With the right incentive, I would.

I'd get punched once for a few million. Definitely. *nods*

I was thinking a $100,000 donation to the charity of my choice would be enough.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Living is bad for us. It will eventually kill us all.

You can dispute what is or isn't bad for a person.

What I am not okay with (because it simply doesn't follow logically) is for people to say like the previous poster...

''Just because something is bad doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.''

Because that just makes no sense at all. If you said ''I don't think its bad for you'' or ''I don't think its bad for every single person'' and then provide reasons, we have something to talk about.

But if you're going to go... ''Well it IS bad''... BUT... it doesn't follow that you shouldn't do it... you have completely lost me.

Because there is no logical scenario where you can accept something to be Bad and then go on to say... ''well it doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't do it.''

You can't reach that second part unless you are disputing that it is not bad.

Tell me this, do you have a right to dictate what people do or do not do? Do you think you have a right to ban things just because you, personally, do not like them? Because I hate guns. That however doesn't give me an absolute right to tell others not to use guns, especially when it's their protected right.

[Forth Firth]

Yet you look to physical injury as the only outcome of boxing. You ignore physical fitness, pleasure in competition, finance, etc, etc.

It doesn't really follow all too logically

Second Blazing doesn't dispute that it is Bad (not in the quote anyways), he's disputing the conditional that follows from something being established as bad. And I don't agree with the conditional.

I don't believe you follow that logic at all and fortunately not many others do either. A world where supposed experts are able to override my autonomy at every turn when said autonomy harms only myself isn't one many would wish for.

[Asyir]

People go into the ring knowing the risks, and everything is consensual. Just because it doesn't fit your elitist perfect world doesn't mean that it should be banned.

200 people could have been alive longer if they did not tragically meet their fate in a state-sanctioned entertainment of pure violence, and many people today would not have brain damage or wrist injuries from boxing

Those 200 people knew the risks they took. They consented.

[The Huskar Social Union]

People go into the ring knowing the risks, and everything is consensual. Just because it doesn't fit your elitist perfect world doesn't mean that it should be banned.

200 people could have been alive longer if they did not tragically meet their fate in a state-sanctioned entertainment of pure violence, and many people today would not have brain damage or wrist injuries from boxing

And a good number of these people died from injuries and damage caused in American football, why arnt we banning it as well?

Or how about the ones on this list who died from playing Ice Hockey? Should we ban it?

These 10 people died from incidents in Cricket, should we ban it as well?

All of those people who died in Boxing consented to taking part in the sport, they knew the risks as did all of these other people who died in the sports above. They were not forced to do it.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Living is bad for us. It will eventually kill us all.

You can dispute what is or isn't bad for a person.

What I am not okay with (because it simply doesn't follow logically) is for people to say like the previous poster...

''Just because something is bad doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.''

Because that just makes no sense at all. If you said ''I don't think its bad for you'' or ''I don't think its bad for every single person'' and then provide reasons, we have something to talk about.

But if you're going to go... ''Well it IS bad''... BUT... it doesn't follow that you shouldn't do it... you have completely lost me.

Because there is no logical scenario where you can accept something to be Bad and then go on to say... ''well it doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't do it.''

You can't reach that second part unless you are disputing that it is not bad.

I can think of a very good reason to do something bad for you; because it's fun.

[Torisakia]

Well if we ban boxing, we might as well ban any other martial art and combat sport. Hell, we might as well just ban all full-contact sports if we do that.

and we should consider each and every sport on a case by case basis, but for boxing the red line has clearly been crossed

I don't see how the dangers of boxing and the dangers of rugby (a contact sport where very little to no protective gear is worn) are too much different, to be honest.

[Chessmistress]

I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
Something similar should be made even for rugby and american football.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, at least not in the actual form, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

[Olthar]

I'd get punched once for a few million. Definitely. *nods*

I was thinking a $100,000 donation to the charity of my choice would be enough.

You're a saint, truly.

[The Two Jerseys]

People go into the ring knowing the risks, and everything is consensual. Just because it doesn't fit your elitist perfect world doesn't mean that it should be banned.

200 people could have been alive longer if they did not tragically meet their fate in a state-sanctioned entertainment of pure violence, and many people today would not have brain damage or wrist injuries from boxing

People have died playing the brutal state-sanctioned sports of baseball and cricket.

Your point?

[Doom Legions]

I think OP should try boxing themselves sometime to see that it's really fun. (ง•ᗜ•)ง

[Pandeeria]

I think it's quite telling that just by reading the title alone I already knew you were the OP, Infected Mushroom.

[Ragnarheim]

I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

Are you taking the piss?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I was thinking a $100,000 donation to the charity of my choice would be enough.

You're a saint, truly.

I've taken shots for less.

[Ragnarheim]

I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?

I'm glad we are thinking the same thing.

[Infected Mushroom]

You can dispute what is or isn't bad for a person.

What I am not okay with (because it simply doesn't follow logically) is for people to say like the previous poster...

''Just because something is bad doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.''

Because that just makes no sense at all. If you said ''I don't think its bad for you'' or ''I don't think its bad for every single person'' and then provide reasons, we have something to talk about.

But if you're going to go... ''Well it IS bad''... BUT... it doesn't follow that you shouldn't do it... you have completely lost me.

Because there is no logical scenario where you can accept something to be Bad and then go on to say... ''well it doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't do it.''

You can't reach that second part unless you are disputing that it is not bad.

Tell me this, do you have a right to dictate what people do or do not do? Do you think you have a right to ban things just because you, personally, do not like them? Because I hate guns. That however doesn't give me an absolute right to tell others not to use guns, especially when it's their protected right.

Rights are what are recognised under the law

And under the current state of the law, the power to ban boxing would lie with the legislature and not with me personally. So no, as of now, I do not have a legally recognised ''right'' to ban something.

But I'm not sure where this really gets us to.

If you needed to have a ''right'' to implement every single policy suggestion to suggest it (ex legalising gay marriage or abortion rights) then we would never have any legitimate suggestions; I'm not sure we want to go down that road

Having a legal right/power to implement a solution is not a necessary prerequisite to suggesting it

[Napkiraly]

Well at least you could tell us what having a burst testicle feels like.

Personally, one of mine twisting was enough.

Pain is fleeting. Interesting stories are eternal.

Trust me, the interesting stories involving my left testicle and its desire to turn into a twizzler is something I'd rather have avoided.

[Olthar]

I think OP should try boxing themselves sometime to see that it's really fun. (ง•ᗜ•)ง

Never going to happen. It'll damage his GoT LARP costume.

[Asyir]

I don't think boxing should be banned, I think it should be enforced to adopt a non-contact version, that wouldn't be violent.
In an truly equal society similar violent sports shouldn't exists, because such things encourage violence and toxic masculinity.

How the hell can you box if there is no contact allowed?

Do you just dart around the ring glaring at one another?

"Ah five points to the bloke in red for that belter of a death stare"

Are you serious?

No. You run around and tag each other.

[Dyakovo]

Oh crap, what are the progressives rambling about banning now?

Let's knock off the "all X is y" comparisons. One, count 'em, one person has come out in favor of this. Don't tar all progressives with that brush.

Especially when that person isn't even a progressive...