Circumcision: Double Standard?

[Dakini]

How exactly is circumcision of either sex not genital mutilation?

It is what it is. I won't trivialize it.

How is eating fruit not eating a plants engorged womb? How is eating an egg not eating unborn fluids?

Eggs aren't usually fertilized, unless you're having balut.

[Morr]

Is that an objective fact, now?

Nothing is objective; it's simply a strongly held opinion.

Then you shouldn't say "period", since it is used to indicate absoluteness.

[Gim]

Nothing is objective; it's simply a strongly held opinion.

Then you shouldn't say "period", since it is used to indicate absoluteness.

Well, his subjectivity is pretty much self-explanatory, considering the fact that everyone's opinion is based on emotion, prejudice, and other human factors.

[Dakini]

It just...doesn't constantly hurt all the time, when done to males. Sure, it's mutilation. But so is getting tattoos or piercings technically. Do you morally object to those?

Yes, but if you think your penis is your ears, you might be an idiot.

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

[Gim]

Yes, but if you think your penis is your ears, you might be an idiot.

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

Eek. Circumcision is bad enough. Why talk about other penile modifications?

[Jochistan]

How is eating fruit not eating a plants engorged womb? How is eating an egg not eating unborn fluids?

Eggs aren't usually fertilized, unless you're having balut.

right. But it's still eating unformed, unfertilized, developmental fluids.

[Gim]

How is eating fruit not eating a plants engorged womb? How is eating an egg not eating unborn fluids?

I think seeds are the "womb". Fruits, analogously speaking, are more placenta, since they aid in seed dispersal.

[Uawc]

How exactly is circumcision of either sex not genital mutilation?

It is what it is. I won't trivialize it.

How is eating fruit not eating a plants engorged womb? How is eating an egg not eating unborn fluids?

It just...doesn't constantly hurt all the time, when done to males. Sure, it's mutilation. But so is getting tattoos or piercings technically. Do you morally object to those?

It's not that I think it's good, I just think, Male circumcision really doesn't have much of an effect on males, when done by medical professionals in a sterile environment. It results in no pain, but no real benefits. It's just sort of...unnecessary.

With females, that's a different story. It's fucking torture. Every day. Regardless whether it's done in a sterile environment by surgeons or in a makeshift home by a village elder with a rock.

Males lose significant sexual pleasure after circumcision and gain nothing in return. Tattoos and piercings tend to be consensual; child genital mutilation is not. It needs to be banned and all who continue the practice afterwards put to trial.

[Test242]

no need to be so abrasive, fuck.

You make a moral salad of protecting infants and you think I'm abrasive?

[Jochistan]

Yes, but if you think your penis is your ears, you might be an idiot.

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

But, it doesn't really...hurt or help anything, or make things look weirder to anyone else in general society.

So...it's sort of just... oh well, I guess. I really don't know what else to say.

[Wallenburg]

Eggs aren't usually fertilized, unless you're having balut.

right. But it's still eating unformed, unfertilized, developmental fluids.

Your words make it sound unappetizing, but not immoral. What are you trying to prove?

[Dakini]

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

Eek. Circumcision is bad enough. Why talk about other penile modifications?

I wasn't going to except to say that they exist. If anyone wanted to know, they could check out BME's wiki, but they definitely shouldn't link them here.

Eggs aren't usually fertilized, unless you're having balut.

right. But it's still eating unformed, unfertilized, developmental fluids.

I'm not sure that it makes sense to talk about bird eggs as "unborn" though, since the bird sort of births the egg by laying it.

[Morr]

Yes, but if you think your penis is your ears, you might be an idiot.

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

I mainly agree with you, but some exception should still be made for Jews, etc.

[Test242]

So...it's sort of just... oh well, I guess. I really don't know what else to say.

You can say you're sorry.

[Gim]

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

I mainly agree with you, but some exception should still be made for Jews, etc.

Only with consent being involved, in my opinion.

[Jochistan]

right. But it's still eating unformed, unfertilized, developmental fluids.

Your words make it sound unappetizing, but not immoral. What are you trying to prove?

The initial point was that I was trying to say that you can describe most anything to sound horrifying or disgusting to fit an argument. I never said immoral. That's optional.

[Dakini]

I think seeds are the "womb". Fruits, analogously speaking, are more placenta, since they aid in seed dispersal.

No, the seeds are the things that go on to become new plants. They're zygotes encased in a protective membrane. The fruits don't feed the seeds so they're not really placenta.

[Jochistan]

So...it's sort of just... oh well, I guess. I really don't know what else to say.

You can say you're sorry.

Nah, I'm not doing that.

To who, anyway?

[Gim]

I think seeds are the "womb". Fruits, analogously speaking, are more placenta, since they aid in seed dispersal.

No, the seeds are the things that go on to become new plants. They're zygotes encased in a protective membrane. The fruits don't feed the seeds so they're not really placenta.

Wow. You're right. I somehow thought wombs were equal to babies. This is how much I am tired right now.

[Test242]

To who, anyway?

To the children.

[Jochistan]

To who, anyway?

To the children.

Why? I didn't circumcise them. And most of them probably don't have much of a problem with it.

[Wallenburg]

Your words make it sound unappetizing, but not immoral. What are you trying to prove?

The initial point was that I was trying to say that you can describe most anything to sound horrifying or disgusting to fit an argument. I never said immoral. That's optional.

And this capacity to twist words somehow mitigates that child circumcision is torture and forced genital mutilation?

[Test242]

Why? I didn't circumcise them. And most of them probably don't have much of a problem with it.

Oh, well thank you for judging that for them. Everyone appreciates your standing up for the little guy.

[Wallenburg]

To the children.

Why? I didn't circumcise them. And most of them probably don't have much of a problem with it.

I do. I'd rather have had my pens intact.

[Dakini]

People do way weirder body modifications to their penises than pierce or tattoo them.

Nobody should inflict these on infants and their penises (or indeed, anyone who doesn't express the desire to have these procedures done).

I mainly agree with you, but some exception should still be made for Jews, etc.

Why? Children should be allowed to decide when they're older whether they want to have their bodies modified.