Circumcision: Double Standard?

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:34 am

Jacobania wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you think those are abusive? I never consented to them when I was a kid.

Braces don't result in the loss of teeth. In no way is this an honest comparison.

I had braces.

It absolutely DID involve loss of teeth: two molars from the top and two from the bottom, to make room for the top premolars and incisors to move back, and at the bottom to move the molars forward to make room for wisdom teeth.

I wanted a sailing boat like my friend Robert. That cost about the same as the orthodontic work, but my parents would only pay for one of those things so they made me choose.

Maybe not such a free choice, given I was only about 11 and my parents clearly preferred the othodontic work, but it was a real choice. I could have chosen the boat instead, developed the expensive hobby of sailing and then later have needed dental surgery to deal with the wisdom teeth.

The point I'm trying to make is that a child of 11 (or even of 6!) has a whole lot more capacity to choose than an infant. To consent to what their parents say is best for them is not such a free choice (informed and uncoerced) but nor is it completely beyond their knowledge or power, to object.

by **Jochistan** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:34 am

Torisakia wrote:As a circumcised male, I couldn't care less about the whole consent/"body mutilation" thing. I've never exactly understood the pros of being uncircumcised, to be honest. I'll have to Google it sometime later.

It's not much different. You get rejected just as often.

by **Jochistan** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:36 am

Jacobania wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you think those are abusive? I never consented to them when I was a kid.

Braces don't result in the loss of teeth. In no way is this an honest comparison.

Wait are you kidding? They had to pull like 7 teeth so the braces would work. Not saying thats bad, Im just saying you do loe teeth.

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:37 am

Ailiailia wrote:I had braces.

Yeah, but I bet you were cute too.

by **Saiwania** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:39 am

Dakini wrote:Why should they care? It's not their cocks.

They care as much as people opposed to gay marriage cared about ensuring that gay marriage becoming legal never happened.
It looks to be that way anyways. Sad but true.

by **Dakini** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:42 am

Saiwania wrote:
Dakini wrote:Why should they care? It's not their cocks.

They care as much as people opposed to gay marriage cared about ensuring that gay marriage becoming legal never happened.
It looks to be that way anyways. Sad but true.

Yet it's now legal in many countries and is perfectly fine.

I'm not sure why you seem to think that getting rid of routine infant circumcision would be a bad thing.

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:45 am

Test208 wrote:
Jochistan wrote:What? when did I say I would...

There's no need to be shy! Us noble people can trust each other.

we don't play soccer

If Test208 is an AI "discussion bot" then it's time for the operator to pull the plug.

You are failing to meaningfully engage in discussion. GTFO.

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:46 am

Ailiailia wrote:You are failing to meaningfully engage in discussion. GTFO.

Is that any way to talk to your father?

by **Saiwania** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:48 am

Dakini wrote:I'm not sure why you seem to think that getting rid of routine infant circumcision would be a bad thing.

I don't. But really, when I think about it- there is no reason for the pro-circumcision crowd to let infant circumcision discontinue. Like I said, they have everything to lose. They know circumcised males being in the majority is dependent on routine infant circumcision continuing. Doctors also like being reimbursed for doing an additional procedure that many people want done but isn't usually necessary strictly speaking.

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:50 am

Jochistan wrote:
Torisakia wrote:As a circumcised male, I couldn't care less about the whole consent/"body mutilation" thing. I've never exactly understood the pros of being uncircumcised, to be honest. I'll have to Google it sometime later.

It's not much different. You get rejected just as often.

I'm not up to date on dating rituals, not having "dated" since Clinton was president.

So you might have to explain this to me. You show a prospective sexual partner your penis before you ask them on a date?

:unsure:

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:51 am

Saiwania wrote:Doctors also like being reimbursed for doing an additional procedure that many people want done but isn't usually necessary strictly speaking.

So in other words, they're pathological.

by **The Central Shadow Nation** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:54 am

Theres no harm either way,parents (And people in general) have made much more important decisions. Its just skin (Could be more,but that depends on how you look at it) with or without its pros and cons.

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:56 am

The Central Shadow Nation wrote:Theres no harm either way,parents (And people in general) have made much more important decisions. Its just skin (Could be more,but that depends on how you look at it) with or without its pros and cons.

Yeah, lips are just skin also.

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:56 am

Test208 wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:You are failing to meaningfully engage in discussion. GTFO.

Is that any way to talk to your father?

If that was the standard I applied when talking to strangers, I wouldn't even be here.

You're all strangers to me, or I wouldn't even be here.

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:57 am

Ailiailia wrote:You're all strangers to me, or I wouldn't even be here.

Dark and mysterious! I like that!

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:02 am

Test208 wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:You're all strangers to me, or I wouldn't even be here.

Dark and mysterious! I like that!

Quick and stupid. I don't like that.

Try Forum 7.

by **Test208** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:11 am

Ailiailia wrote:Quick and stupid. I don't like that.

I know you are son but I love you.

by **United States of McDonalds** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:27 am

Ailiailia wrote:
I'm not up to date on dating rituals, not having "dated" since Clinton was president.

So you might have to explain this to me. You show a prospective sexual partner your penis before you ask them on a date?

You don't?
Yanks are fucking weird

by **Katganistan** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:50 am

Test208 wrote:
Jochistan wrote:My cuntface uncle and many other people still give me shit about being raised in a middle class establishment.

You should be ashamed, the middle class is effeminate. But you can make up for it if you make a socialistic dictatorship.

Test208 wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Implying i'm not cute as fuck now

pics or it isn't so

or pay with your blood!

Test208 wrote:
Jochistan wrote:I used to have shark teeth, like two rows.

I think everyone can agree it is superior.

Get, and stay, on topic, Jochistan and Test208. The topic is CIRCUMCISION, not whatever comes to your stream of consciousness.

by **Jochistan** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:55 am

Katganistan wrote:
Test208 wrote:You should be ashamed, the middle class is effeminate. But you can make up for it if you make a socialistic dictatorship.

Test208 wrote:pics or it isn't so

or pay with your blood!

Test208 wrote:I think everyone can agree it is superior.

Get, and stay, on topic, Jochistan and Test208. The topic is CIRCUMCISION, not whatever comes to your stream of consciousness.

Yeah, sorry about that. I got caught up in...whatever he was accusing me of

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:55 am

Cosmetic surgery can sometimes be necessary.

On the one hand, people SHOULD be tolerant of differences in appearance. On the other hand, people are not so tolerant even if they sincerely try to be.

Here is the most exquisite choice: the infant with an odd physical characteristic, who should be accepted by other children and by society as a whole, but most probably won't be. The parents can change that physical form, but should they? Should they bow to a society which is wrong and make their child conform physically to the social expectations? Or should they do all they can to establish the child's self confidence and send them out into a discriminatory society, struggling against and perhaps gaining ground against unjust discrimination?

Such a hard decision! Being old, childless, sterile and celibate, I am comfortable that I will never have to make such a decision.

by **Chessmistress** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:01 am

Personally I find highly offensive the comparison between male circumcision and FGM: the "damages" of circumcision are not even closer to the damages of FGM. Everybody knows.

by **Sgurr Dearg** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:17 am

Circumcision is a travesty the removes a whole litany of hilarious sexual activities from a young mans life. Those monstrous doctors.

by **Jochistan** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:19 am

Chessmistress wrote:Personally I find highly offensive the comparison between male circumcision and FGM: the "damages" of circumcision are not even closer to the damages of FGM. Everybody knows.

yeah. for once I see your point. But it's still unnecessary and risky.

by **AiliailiA** » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:29 am

Test208 wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:Quick and stupid. I don't like that.

I know you are son but I love you.

Let me tell you about my father.

My father's father died in a war, and my father's mother gave my father and his older brother up to an orphanage. Orphanges -- religious or government -- were all horrible sixty years ago.

My father went to university on a scholarship, I won't name the scholarship to preserve my own anonymity, but I will say it was a prestigious scholarship awarded on merit.

I could tell you more, particularly about what a good man my father is. But you don't deserve it. You're not my father.

Dear Eliza, there's a hole in your bucket. Fix your own damn hole, Eliza my dear.

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