Circumcision: Double Standard?

[Saiwania]

And your second paragraph doesn't suggest that routine infant circumcision is better than letting a man decide whether or not he wants it later in life. There's nothing wrong with having foreskin.

There isn't, but recognize if you will- that having circumcision only be an option at later ages will in effect, make being uncircumcised the new norm for males. Men definitely won't go out of their way to have it done except for religious reasons and even some among them will choose to opt out depending on how long they've gone with having a foreskin. The day infant circumcision stops, will see a massive drop in the popularity of the procedure.

[Dakini]

Braces are not surgery. They're also not put onto a child until the child is old enough to form their own opinions and object.

Yeah, I didn't want them when I was 12. And I still got them. And they were a bitch.

But I won't blame my parents because of it.

I definitely wanted them and I'm happy with the results. My partner needed braces (and jaw surgery and teeth pulled) because his problems were much more severe.

Braces are not surgery. They're also not put onto a child until the child is old enough to form their own opinions and object.

So a child can be mutilated, but when it comes to dental health, the they have to be of an age where they can form their own opinion on the matter?

Sounds like someone's (not necessarily you personally) moral compass is slightly out of touch with the rest of humanity.

What the fuck are you on about?

I have not been arguing in favour of routine infant circumcision. In fact, I think that this is not a good idea and that most circumcisions are entirely unnecessary. That has been my position throughout this thread (and even in threads prior to this one). I do not even think that religious exemptions should be provided for infants. I do think that when a child is old enough to make his opinions known, he should have the option of being circumcised if he wants to be (e.g. I do not think that he should have to wait until he's actually an adult, just until he can form an opinion on the matter). I also think that if a boy has a medical condition which makes circumcision a better option, then his parents should have the ability to make this choice for him, but otherwise, it should be up to the child (I hold the same opinion with most forms of body modification, by the way).

And children cannot get braces when they are infants because infants do not have teeth! It's not even known whether or not an infant will need braces!

[Jochistan]

There you go.

He was probably cute as fuck.

Implying i'm not cute as fuck now

[United States of McDonalds]

Here's the thing, in the vast amount of cases it's not a medical treatment - it's cosmetic surgery, and that's a whole other issue.

Cosmetic surgeries are also something parents have a right to seek for their children if they deem it necessary. Do braces ring a bell?

Getting braces and circumcising a dick isn't the same thing at all.
Along with self esteem, straight teeth has a multitude of benefits beyond mere cosmetics, which are explained here http://www.monadnockorthodontics.com/pa ... es-anyway/

Besides a decreased chance of spreading STIs and HIV (which can already be achieved by cleaning your foreskin-clad cock regularly), circumcised dicks don't have much of a benefit.

If anything, if the Danish guys testimony here:

As it happens, I'm one of those "limp-wrist European on the other side of the planet" who happens to have been circumcised as a young boy for genuine medical reasons. Now, I don't blame my parents for that, they did what they had to do in that situation, but I still wish I had a normal penis. Sure, it works as it should, but still... It's a part of me that's missing... A part that should have been there... A part I wish was there...

When you look at your penis every time you shower and have that kind of thoughts... Yeah... It it does have actual long-term effects.

Has anything to say, it seems that circumcision can actually LOWER self-esteem.
Now how would lose self-esteem for having straight teeth?

[Test208]

Implying i'm not cute as fuck now

pics or it isn't so

or pay with your blood!

[United States of McDonalds]

Cosmetic surgeries are also something parents have a right to seek for their children if they deem it necessary. Do braces ring a bell?

Getting braces and circumcising a dick isn't the same thing at all.
Along with self esteem, straight teeth has a multitude of benefits beyond mere cosmetics, which are explained here http://www.monadnockorthodontics.com/pa ... es-anyway/

Besides a decreased chance of spreading STIs and HIV (which can already be achieved by cleaning your foreskin-clad cock regularly), circumcised dicks don't have much of a benefit.

If anything, if the Danish guys testimony here:

As it happens, I'm one of those "limp-wrist European on the other side of the planet" who happens to have been circumcised as a young boy for genuine medical reasons. Now, I don't blame my parents for that, they did what they had to do in that situation, but I still wish I had a normal penis. Sure, it works as it should, but still... It's a part of me that's missing... A part that should have been there... A part I wish was there...

When you look at your penis every time you shower and have that kind of thoughts... Yeah... It it does have actual long-term effects.

Has anything to say, it seems that circumcision can actually LOWER self-esteem.
Now who would lose self-esteem for having straight teeth?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Cosmetic surgeries are also something parents have a right to seek for their children if they deem it necessary. Do braces ring a bell?

Getting braces and circumcising a dick isn't the same thing at all.
Along with self esteem, straight teeth has a multitude of benefits beyond mere cosmetics, which are explained here http://www.monadnockorthodontics.com/pa ... es-anyway/

Besides a decreased chance of spreading STIs and HIV (which can already be achieved by cleaning your foreskin-clad cock regularly), circumcised dicks don't have much of a benefit.

If anything, if the Danish guys testimony here:

As it happens, I'm one of those "limp-wrist European on the other side of the planet" who happens to have been circumcised as a young boy for genuine medical reasons. Now, I don't blame my parents for that, they did what they had to do in that situation, but I still wish I had a normal penis. Sure, it works as it should, but still... It's a part of me that's missing... A part that should have been there... A part I wish was there...

When you look at your penis every time you shower and have that kind of thoughts... Yeah... It it does have actual long-term effects.

Has anything to say, it seems that circumcision can actually LOWER self-esteem.
Now how would lose self-esteem for having straight teeth?

I give up, really.

Parents have, as the law stands, the right to choose medical treatment options for their kids, ditto with cosmetic. Whether they should exercise that right or not when the procedure is not necessary is another matter.

[Jochistan]

Yeah, I didn't want them when I was 12. And I still got them. And they were a bitch.

But I won't blame my parents because of it.

Thankfully you didn't have to live with your parents decision for the rest of your life. That would've really sucked.

You always have to live with your parents decisions. They choose living situations.

My cuntface uncle and many other people still give me shit about being raised in a middle class establishment.

[Dakini]

Braces are not surgery. They're also not put onto a child until the child is old enough to form their own opinions and object.

Certain cases where braces are necessary, are accompanied by surgical procedures. But I am using the braces because it is usually cosmetic corrective and is treatment sought by parents for their children.

When surgery is necessary, orthodontics aren't usually just cosmetic.

Personally, I think that piercings and tattoos are a better example (or like, actual cosmetic surgery). I don't think that people should be allowed to pierce their infants' ears any more than they should be allowed to circumcise their infants. If a child requests either procedure done when they are a more appropriate age and capable of actually wanting it, then they should be allowed to have it done.

In any case, since I sense hostility, let me stress that I am not in favor of circumcision of children unless it is medically necessary.

There's no hostility on my end toward you.

[Test208]

I give up, really.

give up your blood!

[Dakini]

And your second paragraph doesn't suggest that routine infant circumcision is better than letting a man decide whether or not he wants it later in life. There's nothing wrong with having foreskin.

There isn't, but recognize if you will- that having circumcision only be an option at later ages will in effect, make being uncircumcised the new norm for males.

It's already the norm in many countries. There's nothing wrong with this.

Men definitely won't go out of their way to have it done except for religious reasons and even some among them will choose to opt out depending on how long they've gone with having a foreskin. The day infant circumcision stops, will see a massive drop in the popularity of the procedure.

And this is a bad thing how?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Certain cases where braces are necessary, are accompanied by surgical procedures. But I am using the braces because it is usually cosmetic corrective and is treatment sought by parents for their children.

When surgery is necessary, orthodontics aren't usually just cosmetic.

Personally, I think that piercings and tattoos are a better example (or like, actual cosmetic surgery). I don't think that people should be allowed to pierce their infants' ears any more than they should be allowed to circumcise their infants. If a child requests either procedure done when they are a more appropriate age and capable of actually wanting it, then they should be allowed to have it done.

In any case, since I sense hostility, let me stress that I am not in favor of circumcision of children unless it is medically necessary.

There's no hostility on my end toward you.

We're not on opposite sides of the argument. But I want people to understand that, as the law stands (should it be revised? Probably), parents do have the right to seek certain treatments, be them cosmetic or medical, for their children.

[Test208]

My cuntface uncle and many other people still give me shit about being raised in a middle class establishment.

You should be ashamed, the middle class is effeminate. But you can make up for it if you make a socialistic dictatorship.

[Saiwania]

Now, I don't blame my parents for that, they did what they had to do in that situation, but I still wish I had a normal penis. Sure, it works as it should, but still... It's a part of me that's missing... A part that should have been there... A part I wish was there...

A circumcision can't yet be completely undone, but foreskin restoration might just be for you if you're up to that. Think of it as retaking some of what was lost even though it won't be the same. It might be worth a shot, your decision to make. Remember that you at least have an option unlike myself when it comes to my left eye, which is legally blind and will never see like my right eye; there being no surgery for it.

[Jochistan]

My cuntface uncle and many other people still give me shit about being raised in a middle class establishment.

You should be ashamed, the middle class is effeminate. But you can make up for it if you make a socialistic dictatorship.

I should be ashamed for something I have no control over.

Go back to fucking tumblr.

I seriously doubt you're not middle class.

[Dakini]

Do women often complain to you about the quality of the sex they're having?

It's definitely not good if a man finishes in under a minute, but if a guy is taking a really long time to reach orgasm, it's also not going to be enjoyable (especially if he's well-endowed).

The ones that I have had sexual relations with yes. Not about me or if they have complained about me they had the courtesy to not do it to my face.

Of course if he is taking to long it's just I've mostly heard that they complain about it not lasting enough, this is just my personal experience of course.

If you're young and just sort of starting to have sex, then you're probably more likely to encounter the problem of not lasting long enough. Though really, even then, it's only a problem if your response to your own orgasm is to roll over and sleep, leaving your partner unfulfilled. If you're done too quickly, consider giving your lady friend a hand until she's satisfied or until you're ready to go again.

[United States of McDonalds]

Doesn't apply to all women though, depends on who you are talking about and if people are trying to argue losing sensitivity(if you do) then technically speaking you would last longer... So it's a toss up, it varies from person to person... Just as opinions usually do...

But the same loss of sensitivity can be achieved by wearing more thick condoms(or even two condoms).

[Test208]

I should be ashamed for something I have no control over.

I won't hold it against you if you don't sing songs in gay ass academic fraternities. I'm gay, and I think they are gayer than I am.

[Dakini]

When surgery is necessary, orthodontics aren't usually just cosmetic.

Personally, I think that piercings and tattoos are a better example (or like, actual cosmetic surgery). I don't think that people should be allowed to pierce their infants' ears any more than they should be allowed to circumcise their infants. If a child requests either procedure done when they are a more appropriate age and capable of actually wanting it, then they should be allowed to have it done.


There's no hostility on my end toward you.

We're not on opposite sides of the argument. But I want people to understand that, as the law stands (should it be revised? Probably), parents do have the right to seek certain treatments, be them cosmetic or medical, for their children.

I know. I think we're in agreement here.

I just didn't like the braces analogy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

We're not on opposite sides of the argument. But I want people to understand that, as the law stands (should it be revised? Probably), parents do have the right to seek certain treatments, be them cosmetic or medical, for their children.

I know. I think we're in agreement here.

I just didn't like the braces analogy.

Frankly, I haven't slept so my sharpness is gone. Your analogy of piercings and tattoos is indeed more apt.

[Dakini]

But the same loss of sensitivity can be achieved by wearing more thick condoms(or even two condoms).

They also sell condoms and lube with a little bit of numbing cream in them, if necessary.

[Test208]

Frankly, I haven't slept so my sharpness is gone. Your analogy of piercings and tattoos is indeed more apt.

You should pay with your blood for your previous position.

[Jochistan]

I should be ashamed for something I have no control over.

I won't hold it against you if you don't sing songs in gay ass academic fraternities. I'm gay, and I think they are gayer than I am.

I'm not in a goddamn fraternity. I hate them more than nazis.

I'm Middle class, but not raised in a gated community, 2 story house, backyard pool upper middle class place.
Again, I seriously doubt you're actually poor.

[United States of McDonalds]

I give up, really.

Parents have, as the law stands, the right to choose medical treatment options for their kids, ditto with cosmetic. Whether they should exercise that right or not when the procedure is not necessary is another matter.

No ones denying that, just the braces analogy was a tad weird (but some above fella already mentioned it so nvm)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No ones denying that tbh

Uh, yes, some have.

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