NationStates' Transgender Thread II

[The Alexanderians]

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed.

Last I checked it is, but it's called "Gender Identity disorder" if memory serves

[Tafhan]

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed.

Last I checked it is, but it's called "Gender Identity disorder" if memory serves

Wow...really? huh.

[The Alexanderians]

Last I checked it is, but it's called "Gender Identity disorder" if memory serves

Wow...really? huh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Classification_as_a_disorder

[USS Monitor]

Ruby Rose the actress (actor?) in Orange is the New Black, not Ruby Rose the character from RWBY.

There can be only one


That's why I didn't know this other Ruby...I only watch good shows I MEAN I don't watch Orange is the New Black

I never heard of her either, but I don't really watch TV at all.

[USS Monitor]

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed. I've just heard claims it is, and I would be amazed if that's actually the case.

I thought it got taken out, but gender dysphoria is still listed.

[Tafhan]

Wow...really? huh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Classification_as_a_disorder

Seems like it's heavily debated. And wikipedias documentation of it stops at DSM-IV. And we have DSM-V, now. So it might have been removed or specified at this point.

[The Alexanderians]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Classification_as_a_disorder

Seems like it's heavily debated. And wikipedias documentation of it stops at DSM-IV. And we have DSM-V, now. So it might have been removed or specified at this point.

I'm not fond of DSM since they removed somethings that really should be in there, and add things that shouldn't be.

[Uawc]

I recently had to deal with a bunch of fools who thought that all transfolk were mentally ill.

I wasn't aware that people sincerely held such cartoonishly stupid views until recently.

[Grenartia]

With this hobby I do have to make some concessions to my still being closeted.

True enough, I suppose.

Yeah, it seems like whenever you explain to non-millenial cis people that you're non-binary, they automatically rewrite it to say "questioning my gender". Like, fuck that, no, I just told you I'm certain, not questioning.

1. Yeah. Sometimes it's kind of annoying, sometimes it makes me really anxious.

Also, in my case, if I tell someone that I'm genderfluid, I feel like their perception of what that means might be skewed by Miley Cyrus and Ruby Rose -- neither of which is very representative at all of the non-binary community (considering that neither of them, AFAIK, has undergone any sort of medical or legal transition, and that both of them use "she" pronouns). I feel like a lot of cis people like them because they can feel like they're acknowledging people beyond the gender binary without having to challenge their cisnormative outlooks too much.

This is actually a really good article about that kind of thing.

Heh, all the more reason to practice, Risa.

BTW, general question: is MtF women a good way to refer to girls like you, or is the qualifier of MtF not necessary?

2. Personally, I prefer to use "trans woman" to "MTF (woman)", but I'm not a trans woman (when it's necessary to specify that the person is trans, that is), so I'm probably not the best person to answer that question. I feel like a lot of the choice in terminology depends on the person's generation.

I'm all ears.

Ask away.

1. Amen.

2. I generally use "transwoman/girl" and "transman/boy", though only when the person in question is out, and generally only when their trans status is relevant to the conversation. As for non-binary, I just use non-binary or genderqueer, as they both approximate to the same concept, and allow me to further elaborate if need be.

[USS Monitor]

I recently had to deal with a bunch of fools who thought that all transfolk were mentally ill.

I wasn't aware that people sincerely held such cartoonishly stupid views until recently.

It's pretty common, really. You're lucky if you don't run into it often.

[Tafhan]

Seems like it's heavily debated. And wikipedias documentation of it stops at DSM-IV. And we have DSM-V, now. So it might have been removed or specified at this point.

I'm not fond of DSM since they removed somethings that really should be in there, and add things that shouldn't be.

They're still the ultimate medical compendium...so sort of hard to argue with them.

But what kind of stuff do they add or keep?

[Nature-Spirits]

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed. I've just heard claims it is, and I would be amazed if that's actually the case.

"Gender identity disorder" was taken out, because being trans isn't actually a disorder; however, it was replaced by "gender dysphoria", because GD actually is a disorder (in the sense that it can be distressing and interfere with normal life).

[Grenartia]

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed. I've just heard claims it is, and I would be amazed if that's actually the case.

No. Gender dysphoria is listed as a disorder, but being trans in and of itself does not qualify.

Is being Transexual really, actually still in the DSM-V as a mental disorder?

This isn't meant to be pointed.

Last I checked it is, but it's called "Gender Identity disorder" if memory serves

Nah, that was before. The diagnosis is Gender Dysphoria now.

[Grenartia]

There's apparently a database for trans healthcare in the US now.

So, yeah, I just checked this out. And there's nobody listed within a 200 mile radius of me who deals with non-binary folk, or the uninsured, only 2 who handle college students, but they're all the way in downtown NOLA, which is like, 2 fucking hours round trip.

[The Alexanderians]

I'm not fond of DSM since they removed somethings that really should be in there, and add things that shouldn't be.

They're still the ultimate medical compendium...so sort of hard to argue with them.

But what kind of stuff do they add or keep?

It's real easy to argue with them. Most of my doctors that help me with my disorders hate the current DSM since it "marginalizes" people that otherwise need care.

They have a tendency to not be consistent with their criteria, like for instance many of the sexual disorders are as such even thought most didn't cause problems in and of themselves. Or how they took out some ASD diagnoses even though they do directly cause negative effects upon a person's life.

Something doesn't count as disorder if it doesn't have a noticeably negative effect on a person's life.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

With this hobby I do have to make some concessions to my still being closeted.

True enough, I suppose.

Yeah, it seems like whenever you explain to non-millenial cis people that you're non-binary, they automatically rewrite it to say "questioning my gender". Like, fuck that, no, I just told you I'm certain, not questioning.

Yeah. Sometimes it's kind of annoying, sometimes it makes me really anxious.

Also, in my case, if I tell someone that I'm genderfluid, I feel like their perception of what that means might be skewed by Miley Cyrus and Ruby Rose -- neither of which is very representative at all of the non-binary community (considering that neither of them, AFAIK, has undergone any sort of medical or legal transition, and that both of them use "she" pronouns). I feel like a lot of cis people like them because they can feel like they're acknowledging people beyond the gender binary without having to challenge their cisnormative outlooks too much.

This is actually a really good article about that kind of thing.

Heh, all the more reason to practice, Risa.

BTW, general question: is MtF women a good way to refer to girls like you, or is the qualifier of MtF not necessary?

Personally, I prefer to use "trans woman" to "MTF (woman)", but I'm not a trans woman (when it's necessary to specify that the person is trans, that is), so I'm probably not the best person to answer that question. I feel like a lot of the choice in terminology depends on the person's generation.

I'm all ears.

Ask away.

So once again, just ask individual preference.

[Val Halla]

Today I am a girl

[The Alexanderians]

Today I am a girl

Isn't that everyday?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Today I am a girl

You're always a girl.

I take it, though, that today is special. Am I right?

[Val Halla]

Today I am a girl

Isn't that everyday?

In the mind.

Today I am a girl

You're always a girl.

I take it, though, that today is special. Am I right?

Yep

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Isn't that everyday?

In the mind.

You're always a girl.

I take it, though, that today is special. Am I right?

Yep

Enjoying your day so far, I hope?

[Val Halla]

In the mind.


Yep

Enjoying your day so far, I hope?

Well I woke up at like 530 and haven't actually done anything other than have breakfast

[The Alexanderians]

Isn't that everyday?

In the mind.

You're always a girl.

I take it, though, that today is special. Am I right?

Yep

Wait is it because today's the day?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Enjoying your day so far, I hope?

Well I woke up at like 530 and haven't actually done anything other than have breakfast

Travel days seems to trickle by that way. :3

[Val Halla]

In the mind.


Yep

Wait is it because today's the day?

"The day"?