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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:04 pm

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Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:Uuuuuugggghhhh

I have to go to school tomorrow and that means taking a 'Christian Lifestyles' class with a conservative fucktard who docks you paricipation points for using the fucking bathroom. Fuck this shit.

I dunno considering the alternative I don't think anywhere in the Bible it says "wizz in the classroom".


Also it doesn't say "Fuck LGBT people" anywhere in the Bible but it seems ze Nazi errr... Catholic Church got that from somewhere. Read: their worthless puritan asses.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:09 pm

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The Alexanderians wrote:I dunno considering the alternative I don't think anywhere in the Bible it says "wizz in the classroom".


Also it doesn't say "Fuck LGBT people" anywhere in the Bible but it seems ze Nazi errr... Catholic Church got that from somewhere. Read: their worthless puritan asses.

Orthopraxy is really it. But the particulars are for another thread no?
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:11 pm

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Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
Also it doesn't say "Fuck LGBT people" anywhere in the Bible but it seems ze Nazi errr... Catholic Church got that from somewhere. Read: their worthless puritan asses.

Orthopraxy is really it. But the particulars are for another thread no?


Orthodoxy doesn't really do a better job. At all. Fucking Russia.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:15 pm

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The Alexanderians wrote:Orthopraxy is really it. But the particulars are for another thread no?


Orthodoxy doesn't really do a better job. At all. Fucking Russia.

That's not what I said.
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The Archregimancy wrote:
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Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:16 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
Orthodoxy doesn't really do a better job. At all. Fucking Russia.

That's not what I said.


Ooooohhhhh. Orthopraxy. Whatever that is.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:33 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:That's not what I said.


Ooooohhhhh. Orthopraxy. Whatever that is.

:/
Orthopraxy is "proper activity" (Orthodoxy means "proper belief").
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The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:35 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
Ooooohhhhh. Orthopraxy. Whatever that is.

:/
Orthopraxy is "proper activity" (Orthodoxy means "proper belief").


Orthodoxy doesn't change because the Russian wing is shitty.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:38 pm

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The Alexanderians wrote::/
Orthopraxy is "proper activity" (Orthodoxy means "proper belief").


Orthodoxy doesn't change because the Russian wing is shitty.

Logic?
Explain?
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The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:40 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
Orthodoxy doesn't change because the Russian wing is shitty.

Logic?
Explain?


"[Transgender people] are an affront to God's creation."
-Kirill

75% of Russians think being gay is bad

That disgusting law Putin signed

Russia is homophobic as fuck. It rubs off on their church.
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Postby Aphryss » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:33 pm

To be fair, Orthodox Christianity doesn't imply the Russian Orthodox Church - and even if it did, the Orthodox are faaaaaaaar less united than, say, Catholicism. Your average western Orthodox believer is no more likely to be a bigot than your average western Catholic believer. That's not to excuse the Pope's horrible statements on trans people, which make Kiril look soft, but the average lay Catholic already largely ignores the Vatican on issues like birth control, so there's no reason to take Papal statements - or Patriarchal statements - as indicative of the faith as a whole.

I agree that the Russian position on LGBT rights - societally, and the position of the Russian state itself - is hot garbage, though. It does seem like Putin is trying to use LGBT people as a convenient scapegoat. Which is ironic considering how very, very gay Putin comes off as - but then Putin is hot garbage even if he's closeted hot garbage.

In happier news, I'm doing okay now I think? Or at least I'm feeling less hairy, blobby and gross now I'm working harder on the diet and whatnot. I think my earlier crisis of faith was rooted in just feeling ugly and gross; I feel more feminine now I'm taking better care of myself.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:04 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:Logic?
Explain?


"[Transgender people] are an affront to God's creation."
-Kirill

75% of Russians think being gay is bad

That disgusting law Putin signed

Russia is homophobic as fuck. It rubs off on their church.

So what do you mean by "Russian wing"?
ROC?
ROCOR?
The Parishes and churches merely within the borders of the Russian Federation?
The Churches that use Russian as their primary service language?


If I understand what you meant by "doesn't change because the Russian Wing is shitty"...
I feel obligated to tell you that I don't think you know how this works.
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You can't fight the friction
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Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:19 am

Guess I should probably apologise for last night's outburst. >.<
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:29 am

Vassenor wrote:Guess I should probably apologise for last night's outburst. >.<

Hey, it's fine. :hug:
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Postby Philjia » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:45 am

Vassenor wrote:Guess I should probably apologise for last night's outburst. >.<


Now, is there something you specifically want help with, or just some hugs? :hug:
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:28 am

Philjia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Guess I should probably apologise for last night's outburst. >.<


Now, is there something you specifically want help with, or just some hugs? :hug:


I'm not actually sure. I mean I'm still trying to get my head around why I didn't feel comfortable discussing this stuff with someone I meet in an entirely confidential and judgement-free environment.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Now, is there something you specifically want help with, or just some hugs? :hug:


I'm not actually sure. I mean I'm still trying to get my head around why I didn't feel comfortable discussing this stuff with someone I meet in an entirely confidential and judgement-free environment.


Fear of judgement? Fear of betrayal? General introversion? All of the above?
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Philjia wrote:
Now, is there something you specifically want help with, or just some hugs? :hug:


I'm not actually sure. I mean I'm still trying to get my head around why I didn't feel comfortable discussing this stuff with someone I meet in an entirely confidential and judgement-free environment.

To be honest, I really do think you should see someone about the possibility of getting some meds for anxiety.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:49 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I'm not actually sure. I mean I'm still trying to get my head around why I didn't feel comfortable discussing this stuff with someone I meet in an entirely confidential and judgement-free environment.

To be honest, I really do think you should see someone about the possibility of getting some meds for anxiety.

I know that if I didn't have such meds, I don't think I would have been as effective driving as I have done so far.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:43 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
"[Transgender people] are an affront to God's creation."
-Kirill

75% of Russians think being gay is bad

That disgusting law Putin signed

Russia is homophobic as fuck. It rubs off on their church.

So what do you mean by "Russian wing"?
ROC?
ROCOR?
The Parishes and churches merely within the borders of the Russian Federation?
The Churches that use Russian as their primary service language?


If I understand what you meant by "doesn't change because the Russian Wing is shitty"...
I feel obligated to tell you that I don't think you know how this works.


Whatever branch Shithead Kirill is in charge of and a certain person that you and I mutually know slavishly (hehehe... slav... Russia) worships.
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Postby Ulg » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:32 am

I have often heard transgender people and others asserting that gender and biological sex are not the same thing. I have always wondered what the basis of this idea is. It doesn't seem to be something that is provable either way. I'm genuinely interesting in learning what the reasoning behind this idea is.

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Postby Philjia » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:47 am

Ulg wrote:I have often heard transgender people and others asserting that gender and biological sex are not the same thing. I have always wondered what the basis of this idea is. It doesn't seem to be something that is provable either way. I'm genuinely interesting in learning what the reasoning behind this idea is.


Because they feel that the body they have is not what they should have. We don't know exactly why this is. An excess or deficiency of certain hormones in the womb may well be one factor. All we do know is that some people with vaginas feel that they are men, some people with penises feel they are women, and people of both sexes feel that they belong to neither gender.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:03 am

Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:So what do you mean by "Russian wing"?
ROC?
ROCOR?
The Parishes and churches merely within the borders of the Russian Federation?
The Churches that use Russian as their primary service language?


If I understand what you meant by "doesn't change because the Russian Wing is shitty"...
I feel obligated to tell you that I don't think you know how this works.


Whatever branch Shithead Kirill is in charge of and a certain person that you and I mutually know slavishly (hehehe... slav... Russia) worships.

As I monitor this thread, I think you should know that there are no doctrinal differences between the autocephalous churches, but that I go to an OCA parish, which is also what Alex attends, IIRC. Moreover, the priest at my parish is an American convert, and most of my friends at the parish are as well.

And please lay off insulting Patriarch Kirill.

Now, I must leave, as I don't want to get entangled in anything here, nor do I wish to disrupt the positive climate of this thread by lingering.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany- » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:04 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany- wrote:
Whatever branch Shithead Kirill is in charge of and a certain person that you and I mutually know slavishly (hehehe... slav... Russia) worships.

As I monitor this thread, I think you should know that there are no doctrinal differences between the autocephalous churches, but that I go to an OCA parish, which is also what Alex attends, IIRC. Moreover, the priest at my parish is an American convert, and most of my friends at the parish are as well.

And please lay off insulting Patriarch Kirill.

Now, I must leave, as I don't want to get entangled in anything here, nor do I wish to disrupt the positive climate of this thread by lingering.


I insult who I want, where I want, when I want. Ok honey?

To repeat myself. Kirill is a shithead.
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Postby Philjia » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:08 am

If you would like fling shit at each other, please take it elsewhere. There are plenty of places where you can all act as immaturely as you like. Everybody would be much happier if you refrained from doing it here.
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Postby Vaquas » Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:09 am

Just a curious homosexual guy here looking to learn:

Is there a widely accepted theory regarding the genetic or psychological causes and/or development of Transsexuality?

In a related question, is there any scientific study or base that could suggest that Transsexuality is simply a recessesive genetic trait like homosexuality?
Or perhaps hormonal?
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