NationStates' Transgender Thread II

[Vassenor]

Sorry, was being weird again. >.<

[Dumb Ideologies]

Sailor Jupiter is best of the Sailor Senshi.

Just thought I'd state that in case anyone had a wrong opinion.

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[The Alexanderians]

Sorry, was being weird again. >.<

What the Sailor Senshi thing? It's not weird.

[Vassenor]

Not sure what I'm getting worked up over then.

[The Grey Wolf]

I will say that for me boob bounciness feels kind of weird and wrong. Maybe it's because I'm a lolikin.

I don't really care too much about breasts when I transition, but I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to have some decent size mammaries.

[The Alexanderians]

Sailor Jupiter is best of the Sailor Senshi.

Just thought I'd state that in case anyone had a wrong opinion.

¦3

Heresy
Mars is best, your opinion is obviously glitched
Sailor Sun is best senshi

[Dumb Ideologies]

Sailor Jupiter is best of the Sailor Senshi.

Just thought I'd state that in case anyone had a wrong opinion.

¦3

Heresy
Mars is best, your opinion is obviously glitched
Sailor Sun is best senshi

Huehuehue.

[Vassenor]

Heresy
Mars is best, your opinion is obviously glitched
Sailor Sun is best senshi

Huehuehue.

That she is. I'm not jealous or anything.

[The Alexanderians]

Huehuehue.

That she is. I'm not jealous or anything.

Damn straight

[Val Halla]

Should... Probably get back on topic

[The Serbian Empire]

I will say that for me boob bounciness feels kind of weird and wrong. Maybe it's because I'm a lolikin.

I don't really care too much about breasts when I transition, but I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to have some decent size mammaries.

How big is decent?

[The Chernobyl Exclusionary Zone]

I have a question that I've wanted to ask; it seems that among some of the transgendered people that I do follow, there seems to be a strong conviction against those who undergo surgery not because of gender dysphoria but because of a sexual attraction to the idea of converting to another gender. Autogynophilia or Autoandrophilia, by name. I currently have no opinion on it as it's something I don't think i'd ever encounter, but from what I gather those who have encountered individuals with this ideal find that many are rather scummy or are predatorial in nature.

Is this a common issue within the transgender community? Is this something that's a non-issue and I'm just misreading? I must note that the transgendered community in general is something I'm a bit ignorant to, so I'm just trying to figure things out and get feedback.

[Val Halla]

I have a question that I've wanted to ask; it seems that among some of the transgendered people that I do follow, there seems to be a strong conviction against those who undergo surgery not because of gender dysphoria but because of a sexual attraction to the idea of converting to another gender. Autogynophilia or Autoandrophilia, by name. I currently have no opinion on it as it's something I don't think i'd ever encounter, but from what I gather those who have encountered individuals with this ideal find that many are rather scummy or are predatorial in nature.

Is this a common issue within the transgender community? Is this something that's a non-issue and I'm just misreading? I must note that the transgendered community in general is something I'm a bit ignorant to, so I'm just trying to figure things out and get feedback.

I think there are 2 issues with people who aren't trans getting SRS because they think it's attractive. 1, it drives behavior towards trans people that we chose to be like this (I don't see why anyone would want to be trans), and 2, it makes it harder for people who need SRS to get it.

[Grenartia]

I have a question that I've wanted to ask; it seems that among some of the transgendered people that I do follow, there seems to be a strong conviction against those who undergo surgery not because of gender dysphoria but because of a sexual attraction to the idea of converting to another gender. Autogynophilia or Autoandrophilia, by name. I currently have no opinion on it as it's something I don't think i'd ever encounter, but from what I gather those who have encountered individuals with this ideal find that many are rather scummy or are predatorial in nature.

Is this a common issue within the transgender community? Is this something that's a non-issue and I'm just misreading? I must note that the transgendered community in general is something I'm a bit ignorant to, so I'm just trying to figure things out and get feedback.

Actually, the idea of AGP (and by extension, AAP), is inherently bullshit.

Actually, I think "Gender Dysphoria" is the direct successor to GID. "Autogynephilia" and its counterpart "autoandrophilia" refer to being aroused by imagining oneself as the opposite gender, regardless of whether one actually identifies as that gender.

Ah, no, that's not quite how it works. The real problem regarding autogynephilia isn't its scientificness (which it isn't: Blanchard's studies contradict the hypothesis despite a non-random non-controlled involved unreliable sample), it's the political edge to it. Blanchard and his cronies are well known to be pushing this stuff in the DSM above the objections of WPATH because of his supposed expertise (when he was pushed out of WPATH over TMWWBQ controversy), and AGP is also used by ultraconservatives to deny trans rights.

Think about it. Cis women probably imagine themselves as women in their sexual fantasies. Doesn't that make them autogynephilies? Isn't it perfectly normal that a woman imagines herself as a woman in her sexual fantasies? Seems to me every single trans woman on the planet that isn't asexual would meet the criteria for autogynephilia. It's just an absurd concept no matter how you look at it. It's not worth thinking about because it doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist because you have to be transitioning in order to be classified as autogynephilic. It is a bullshit diagnosis based on the internal biases of one particular psychologist, and practically any other expert on gender identity issues would dismiss it as invalid. And it's important to remember that according to the description of autogynephilia and how it relates to transsexualism, trans men don't exist. It is a shitty bogus diagnosis that is used to deny womanhood to trans women.


http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/autogynephilia.html

read that. And fuck Ray Blanchard.

[The Chernobyl Exclusionary Zone]

I think there are 2 issues with people who aren't trans getting SRS because they think it's attractive. 1, it drives behavior towards trans people that we chose to be like this (I don't see why anyone would want to be trans), and 2, it makes it harder for people who need SRS to get it.

I can agree with this notion. However, would you see it as a breach of your rights if there were further barriers towards SRS in order to weed out those with this sort of mentality? I assume that in getting SRS one would be getting psychological counseling (and more likely having said counseling before even considering SRS). Because of that, I'm unsure what other things could be done if any at all.

Actually, the idea of AGP (and by extension, AAP), is inherently bullshit.

Ah, no, that's not quite how it works. The real problem regarding autogynephilia isn't its scientificness (which it isn't: Blanchard's studies contradict the hypothesis despite a non-random non-controlled involved unreliable sample), it's the political edge to it. Blanchard and his cronies are well known to be pushing this stuff in the DSM above the objections of WPATH because of his supposed expertise (when he was pushed out of WPATH over TMWWBQ controversy), and AGP is also used by ultraconservatives to deny trans rights.

Think about it. Cis women probably imagine themselves as women in their sexual fantasies. Doesn't that make them autogynephilies? Isn't it perfectly normal that a woman imagines herself as a woman in her sexual fantasies? Seems to me every single trans woman on the planet that isn't asexual would meet the criteria for autogynephilia. It's just an absurd concept no matter how you look at it. It's not worth thinking about because it doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist because you have to be transitioning in order to be classified as autogynephilic. It is a bullshit diagnosis based on the internal biases of one particular psychologist, and practically any other expert on gender identity issues would dismiss it as invalid. And it's important to remember that according to the description of autogynephilia and how it relates to transsexualism, trans men don't exist. It is a shitty bogus diagnosis that is used to deny womanhood to trans women.


http://www.tsroadmap.com/info/autogynephilia.html

read that. And fuck Ray Blanchard.

I get the logic behind this, but I disagree that AGP and AAP are entirely false. As Blanchard may have put it forth in his very obviously skewed mindset, yes it's incorrect. However I would argue that there are those who would definitely agree to the idea that they get turned on by that ideal, but do not and will not identify as the opposite (or any other) gender. Considering my lack of anything but anecdotal evidence at this time however, I'll concede the point. My disagreement is but my own opinion.

[Vassenor]

Sorry, was being weird again. >.<

What the Sailor Senshi thing? It's not weird.

OK, maybe in the "thinking things will happen that blatantly won't" sense.

[Val Halla]

I think there are 2 issues with people who aren't trans getting SRS because they think it's attractive. 1, it drives behavior towards trans people that we chose to be like this (I don't see why anyone would want to be trans), and 2, it makes it harder for people who need SRS to get it.

I can agree with this notion. However, would you see it as a breach of your rights if there were further barriers towards SRS in order to weed out those with this sort of mentality? I assume that in getting SRS one would be getting psychological counseling (and more likely having said counseling before even considering SRS). Because of that, I'm unsure what other things could be done if any at all.

Actually, the idea of AGP (and by extension, AAP), is inherently bullshit.

I get the logic behind this, but I disagree that AGP and AAP are entirely false. As Blanchard may have put it forth in his very obviously skewed mindset, yes it's incorrect. However I would argue that there are those who would definitely agree to the idea that they get turned on by that ideal, but do not and will not identify as the opposite (or any other) gender. Considering my lack of anything but anecdotal evidence at this time however, I'll concede the point. My disagreement is but my own opinion.

Counselling is 100% a must if someone wants SRS, i don't think anyone here will deny that.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I heard my name. It wasn't me. Callie made me do it.

[USS Monitor]

Actually, the idea of AGP (and by extension, AAP), is inherently bullshit.

I get the logic behind this, but I disagree that AGP and AAP are entirely false. As Blanchard may have put it forth in his very obviously skewed mindset, yes it's incorrect. However I would argue that there are those who would definitely agree to the idea that they get turned on by that ideal, but do not and will not identify as the opposite (or any other) gender. Considering my lack of anything but anecdotal evidence at this time however, I'll concede the point. My disagreement is but my own opinion.

How is that different from being trans and a having a non-binary identity?

Maybe it's cos I have iron for brains, but I don't get what AGP and AAP are even supposed to refer to that would be different from being trans.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm still searching for good video tutorials on bra wearing. Haven't found anything good yet. Will update when I do find something that looks useful.

Something I read about last night, and saw a few trans women say is that, for those of you commencing certain portions of your transition, wearing a training bra is an excellent exercise which will help you for when you start developing breasts. Test what feel more comfortable and all.

My 2 cents, however, are that you get the training bras that have the clasp in front. See how those feel. There are full on bras that clasp in front, in case you prefer those. You can then transition or alternate with bras that clasp in the back. These, of course, are just my personal suggestions. You will go for what feels better for you.

Also, if any of you ladies (and gender fluid) have a question regarding underwear, feel free to fire me a TG. I mean, what are we girls here for, right?

[Celseon]

I'm still searching for good video tutorials on bra wearing. Haven't found anything good yet. Will update when I do find something that looks useful.

Something I read about last night, and saw a few trans women say is that, for those of you commencing certain portions of your transition, wearing a training bra is an excellent exercise which will help you for when you start developing breasts. Test what feel more comfortable and all.

My 2 cents, however, are that you get the training bras that have the clasp in front. See how those feel. There are full on bras that clasp in front, in case you prefer those. You can then transition or alternate with bras that clasp in the back. These, of course, are just my personal suggestions. You will go for what feels better for you.

Also, if any of you ladies (and gender fluid) have a question regarding underwear, feel free to fire me a TG. I mean, what are we girls here for, right?

I don't really see the point of front clasps myself. All you have to do to make back clasps easy is hold the bra so the back clasp is in the front and the whole thing is already around your midriff, clasp it, rotate the bra around so the cups are now in front, put your arms through the shoulder loops, and work everything into place in the cups (whether it's you or forms). Making sure you're properly sized is the tricky part, and that can be dealt with by getting measured. If you don't want to deal with clasps at all at the beginning you could wear sports bras until you get clasps figured out.

[USS Monitor]

I'm still searching for good video tutorials on bra wearing. Haven't found anything good yet. Will update when I do find something that looks useful.

Something I read about last night, and saw a few trans women say is that, for those of you commencing certain portions of your transition, wearing a training bra is an excellent exercise which will help you for when you start developing breasts. Test what feel more comfortable and all.

My 2 cents, however, are that you get the training bras that have the clasp in front. See how those feel. There are full on bras that clasp in front, in case you prefer those. You can then transition or alternate with bras that clasp in the back. These, of course, are just my personal suggestions. You will go for what feels better for you.

Also, if any of you ladies (and gender fluid) have a question regarding underwear, feel free to fire me a TG. I mean, what are we girls here for, right?

I don't really see the point of front clasps myself. All you have to do to make back clasps easy is hold the bra so the back clasp is in the front and the whole thing is already around your midriff, clasp it, rotate the bra around so the cups are now in front, put your arms through the shoulder loops, and work everything into place in the cups (whether it's you or forms). Making sure you're properly sized is the tricky part, and that can be dealt with by getting measured. If you don't want to deal with clasps at all at the beginning you could wear sports bras until you get clasps figured out.

I personally prefer back clasps or sports bras, and, as you say, if reaching behind you to work the clasps is too tricky, you can just rotate the bra (which I usually do).

But yeah, finding the right fit is the hard part. I have probably 6 or 7 bras that are identical except for the color because it's easier to buy more of the same kind than find a new one that is comfortable. For a while, I was purposely trying to see how many different colors I could collect -- like bra-pokemon or something.

I think it's something everyone that wears bras just needs to play with and figure out what works for them.

[Val Halla]

My one fits fine, and has a lot of padding

[Vorond]

I'm all ears.

Ask away.

Right. Disclaimer: I have no fucking clue about the correct terminology here, so please be patient if I get something wrong there.

So I was coming from the debate over segregated bathrooms (aligned to biological sex): my question there was: the transpeople after all *are* men or women after the trans-part happens, so why not go to the appropriate bathroom and be done with it? Apparently I was wrong there, or so I was informed, and after asking for explanation I was sent here. Question is: WTF was that person talking about?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I will say that for me boob bounciness feels kind of weird and wrong. Maybe it's because I'm a lolikin.

I don't really care too much about breasts when I transition, but I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to have some decent size mammaries.

Am I the only one here that actually wants to have something on my chest???