NationStates' Transgender Thread II

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

What makes Pan-sexuality different from Bisexuality?

Pan is attraction to all genders. Bi is only attraction to male and female.

Isn't there only two genders?

[Liberonscien]

Pan is attraction to all genders. Bi is only attraction to male and female.

Isn't there only two genders?

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

I am very tall, and find it difficult to find pants that are long and thin. Pants that are long and wide are plentiful. If I had wider hips, my problem would be solved.

I have the opposite problem, at least with men's pants.

[Liberonscien]

I am very tall, and find it difficult to find pants that are long and thin. Pants that are long and wide are plentiful. If I had wider hips, my problem would be solved.

I have the opposite problem, at least with men's pants.

You are wide and short?

[Philjia]

Pan is attraction to all genders. Bi is only attraction to male and female.

Isn't there only two genders?

In addition to male and female, there are also androgynous people who have male and female characteristic, gender-fluid people who move between male and female, and agender people who are neither male nor female at all. Gender is distinct from sex in that gender is one's psychological state of being, and sex is the physical characteristics determined by what sex organs you were born with.

[Grigundy]

In addition to male and female, there are also androgynous people who have male and female characteristic, gender-fluid people who move between male and female, and agender people who are neither male nor female at all. Gender is distinct from sex in that gender is one's psychological state of being, and sex is the physical characteristics determined by what sex organs you were born with.

Actually, as I understand it the more common term for the gender identity is androgyne, not androgynous.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Isn't there only two genders?

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

[Vassenor]

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

You mean aside from the fact there's more than two sexes?

[Veceria]

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

There is also more than two sexes.
Do you also say "Why doesn't she just accept that she's male" if you see a masculine female?

[Liberonscien]

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

The most common sexes are XX and XY. XXY also exists. There are others but I forget what they are.

[Fabulous Rainicorns]

I have the opposite problem, at least with men's pants.

You are wide and short?

Yes. I need to work on that. Or learn to sew.

[Philjia]

In addition to male and female, there are also androgynous people who have male and female characteristic, gender-fluid people who move between male and female, and agender people who are neither male nor female at all. Gender is distinct from sex in that gender is one's psychological state of being, and sex is the physical characteristics determined by what sex organs you were born with.

Actually, as I understand it the more common term for the gender identity is androgyne, not androgynous.

Androgynous is the adjective form of androgyne. One who is an androgyne is androgynous.

[Vassenor]

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

The most common sexes are XX and XY. XXY also exists. There are others but I forget what they are.

There's a laundry list of conditions that result in an individual being biologically intersex. Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is the main one.

[Philjia]

No. For example, there is intersex which in between male and female.

Also, gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is a perceived thing. Sex is biological. Therefore, if a gender is perceived, then it exists.

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

Because, due to a hormonal problem during prenatal development, their brain was physically altered.

[Noraika]

You are wide and short?

Yes. I need to work on that. Or learn to sew.

I have to speacially order in my pants most of the time. Its a case where I'm tall enough that, at any retailer, the length stops short of where it needs to be, and the waist just increases. Even in the Big & Tall sections its mostly designed for Big AND Tall people, so skinny tall people like me are just out of luck most of the time.

[Nature-Spirits]

Yes. I need to work on that. Or learn to sew.

I have to speacially order in my pants most of the time. Its a case where I'm tall enough that, at any retailer, the length stops short of where it needs to be, and the waist just increases. Even in the Big & Tall sections its mostly designed for Big AND Tall people, so skinny tall people like me are just out of luck most of the time.

I'm almost 6'3" and about 150 lbs (~69 kg). Make of that what you will.

[Grigundy]

Androgynous is the adjective form of androgyne. One who is an androgyne is androgynous.

I do not doubt that there are indeed people who identify as androgynes for whom it works just the way that you described. But for others, it is more complicated. Maybe reading this forum thread is helpful for understanding the different nuances and experiences.

[Noraika]

I have to speacially order in my pants most of the time. Its a case where I'm tall enough that, at any retailer, the length stops short of where it needs to be, and the waist just increases. Even in the Big & Tall sections its mostly designed for Big AND Tall people, so skinny tall people like me are just out of luck most of the time.

I'm almost 6'3" and about 150 lbs (~69 kg). Make of that what you will.

6'2" and 168.8 lbs (~76.6kg)...I understand completely. >~<

[The Alexanderians]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

I am very tall, and find it difficult to find pants that are long and thin. Pants that are long and wide are plentiful. If I had wider hips, my problem would be solved.

MY point was that men have small hip ratios than women do (and in many cases smaller by raw measure). So wouldn't logic track that it'd be easier? Either way just get skinny jeans if mens clothing is too big. Might actually fit someone properly with out killing your circulation XD.

[Nature-Spirits]

Androgynous is the adjective form of androgyne. One who is an androgyne is androgynous.

I do not doubt that there are indeed people who identify as androgynes for whom it works just the way that you described. But for others, it is more complicated. Maybe reading this forum thread is helpful for understanding the different nuances and experiences.

Indeed. Personally, I tend to think of androgyne as a gender identity, and androgynous as a gender expression. Still, language is flexible, and words may have several conflicting meanings.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Well I'm back from a 7 Day Ban. After never having received any kind of ban before.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

They look like male/female why don't they accept that there is only two genders if there is two sexes?

The most common sexes are XX and XY. XXY also exists. There are others but I forget what they are.

How does a genetic abnormality classify as a sex? Is X now a sex because it's not XX or XY?

[Philjia]

The most common sexes are XX and XY. XXY also exists. There are others but I forget what they are.

How does a genetic abnormality classify as a sex? Is X now a sex because it's not XX or XY?

Whether one has an XX chromosome pair or an XY chromosome generally dictates whether one has a penis and testes or a vagina and ovaries, although this is not always the case.

[Philjia]

Well I'm back from a 7 Day Ban. After never having received any kind of ban before.

What'd you do?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Well I'm back from a 7 Day Ban. After never having received any kind of ban before.

What'd you do?

Said something about Kauthar not having a girlfriend.

Was definitely bait and I deserved the ban but I don't see how it makes sense for the mod team to jump from "You've been warned a handful of times" to "ZOMG 7 DAY BANZ!!!!!1!!!!111!!!!1!!"