NationStates' Transgender Thread II

[Val Halla]

And icky gross teeth

And making everyone around you breathe your cancer causing smoke. Its not worth it.

Marijuana on the otherhand.... that shit I wanna try

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And making everyone around you breathe your cancer causing smoke. Its not worth it.

Marijuana on the otherhand.... that shit I wanna try

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

Exactly

[Caelestiam]

I'm not exactly sure I trust an anime oriented nation with a signature calling themselves the princess of perverts, wanting "transfuta" to be a thing.

Malintent. It'd be doing it for the sake of a fetish rather than to ally with the intersex (whether or not they are a genetic aberrance or a normal type of human is a can of worms I do not wish to open up in a thread as liberal-as-fuck as this).

Yes, I am pretty into anime, and yes, I'm a giant pervert. I fully admit this. I am a complete and utter sexual deviant.

However, that does not mean I cannot choose to not fully identify as a male

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Yes, I am pretty into anime, and yes, I'm a giant pervert. I fully admit this. I am a complete and utter sexual deviant.

However, that does not mean I cannot choose to not fully identify as a male

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

Gender is not a choice. In any way shape or form. I didn't choose to be transgender. But my gender is binary. I am female, which fits nicely into the male-female dichotomy. For people who fall somewhere inbetween the two binary genders, there isn't a simple roadmap to follow that says "alright I am X." In that sense, you have to sort of "choose" how to best describe your gender.

[Philjia]

Hypothetically, I think it would be possible, but probably only for people starting as female.

Well, shit. I'm a dude

I'm not a surgeon, but I can envisage ways of taking a cock, balls, and prostate gland and finding ways to fit them around existing female anatomy, but I don't think we could do it the other way round, as fun as that would be.

[Philjia]

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

Gender is not a choice. In any way shape or form. I didn't choose to be transgender. But my gender is binary. I am female, which fits nicely into the male-female dichotomy. For people who fall somewhere inbetween the two binary genders, there isn't a simple roadmap to follow that says "alright I am X." In that sense, you have to sort of "choose" how to best describe your gender.

Which in turn informs how you express it and what bits of your body you have altered.

[Philjia]

And making everyone around you breathe your cancer causing smoke. Its not worth it.

Marijuana on the otherhand.... that shit I wanna try

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

It has a whole host of different ones, including anxiety and testicular cancer.

[Kelinfort]

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

It has a whole host of different ones, including anxiety and testicular cancer.

Marijuana is linked to testicular cancer?

[Philjia]

It has a whole host of different ones, including anxiety and testicular cancer.

Marijuana is linked to testicular cancer?

There's certainly correlation.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 4/abstract

[Linux and the X]

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

It has a whole host of different ones, including anxiety and testicular cancer.

You mean I can finally get my insurance to cover an orchi? *smokes ALL THE WEED*

[Caelestiam]

Marijuana is linked to testicular cancer?

There's certainly correlation.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 4/abstract

And some evidence to be against marijuana.

You magnificent son of a bitch, is there anything about you I don't like? As of now, I don't think so!

[Noraika]

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

Overall, the aspect of gender identity is essentially a subconscious aspect by which a person identifies, of which they have no control. There are varying theories regarding the origin and exact nature of this identifier quality in human beings (with brain difference being only one of many), but transgender individuals can be explained as having a subconscious identification as female or male when they are biologically registered and assigned as male or female (respectively).

Its not a choice. Its similar to sexuality in this way, in that one does not actively choose to be sexually attracted to a particular sex, and with gender identity one does not actively choose to identify as male, female, or non-binary.

Gender norms and roles, which are the stereotypical and traditional behaviors levied onto an individual of a particular assigned gender or sex, are social constructs, but exist entirely independent from gender identity, and the two should not be conflated or treated as the same thing.

Oh, and hello everyone, it has been quite some time since I've been here. About 2 months if I do recall correctly.

[The Serbian Empire]

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

Overall, the aspect of gender identity is essentially a subconscious aspect by which a person identifies, of which they have no control. There are varying theories regarding the origin and exact nature of this identifier quality in human beings (with brain difference being only one of many), but transgender individuals can be explained as having a subconscious identification as female or male when they are biologically registered and assigned as male or female (respectively).

Its not a choice. Its similar to sexuality in this way, in that one does not actively choose to be sexually attracted to a particular sex, and with gender identity one does not actively choose to identify as male, female, or non-binary.

Gender norms and roles, which are the stereotypical and traditional behaviors levied onto an individual of a particular assigned gender or sex, are social constructs, but exist entirely independent from gender identity, and the two should not be conflated or treated as the same thing.

Oh, and hello everyone, it has been quite some time since I've been here. About 2 months if I do recall correctly.

It sure has been a while.

[Mirakai]

Yes, I am pretty into anime, and yes, I'm a giant pervert. I fully admit this. I am a complete and utter sexual deviant.

However, that does not mean I cannot choose to not fully identify as a male

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

What I was trying to say was that I wish I could get both sets of genetalia because I don't identify as male, not only because I have a fetishistic desire to be a futanari

[Noraika]

It sure has been a while.

Feels like its been at least six months to me. Lots of stuff have happened, in both good and stressful things, but mostly good things.

[Val Halla]

Anyone know how good Minneapolis and the Twin Cities are for trans right? Really wanna live there

[Nature-Spirits]

Having learned Krav Maga for a while and done a seminar on improvised weapons, I'll just let you know that by the time you've got your keys out and fumbled the pointy bit(s) into a configuration you could stab someone with, your attacker is already on you. You're better to just fling them at an attacker's face to buy yourself a few seconds to run.

If you do want a plausibly deniable weapon, go buy yourself a sturdy ballpoint pen to use as a kubotan. Purpose-built ones do exist (they're called tactical pens) but they're fairly obvious for what they are (friends used to joke the one I had, made by Colt, looked like a bazooka) and really any metal pen will do. Jabbing with the pointy end hurts like a bitch and can give you a good chance to get away.

Huh. Good to know.

I still wish there was a way to have both sets of fully functional genitalia. If there was, I would take it in a heartbeat

Me too. Although, I'd also like the ability to just make my genitals (or at least my penis) go away when I'm not doing anything with them, because although I'm actually totally fine with having a penis (even though I occasionally wish I had a vagina -- my mind doesn't see them as mutually exclusive), I get loads of dysphoria from having a bulge in my pants or skirt or whatever. It's more that I get social dysphoria from the prospect of people noticing my bulge than that I get body dysphoria from having a penis.

That said, I've been seriously considering getting an orchiectomy (i.e. getting rid of the testicles, although luckily you get to keep the scrotum -- a shitload of nerves down there). I see little point in keeping the little testosterone factories around -- all they do is add a bit of bulk where I really don't want it.

I still wish there was a way to have both sets of fully functional genitalia. If there was, I would take it in a heartbeat

.......

Please no, thanks.

Well no one's asking you to get it, and certainly no one's asking you to have sex with anyone with both sets of genitalia. I'm not sure what your problem is.

Mira doesn't exactly fully identify as male. Non binary. I think.

I badly want to dispute that, but I don't know how intense the flames are going to be when I touch them.

Non-binary people are going to continue being non-binary whether you approve or not, bud. If you're going to be super binarist (which is pretty much all I've seen from you in this thread), then you don't have to engage in conversation with us.

I'm not exactly sure I trust an anime oriented nation with a signature calling themselves the princess of perverts, wanting "transfuta" to be a thing.

Malintent. It'd be doing it for the sake of a fetish rather than to ally with the intersex (whether or not they are a genetic aberrance or a normal type of human is a can of worms I do not wish to open up in a thread as liberal-as-fuck as this).

Yes, I am pretty into anime, and yes, I'm a giant pervert. I fully admit this. I am a complete and utter sexual deviant.

However, that does not mean I cannot choose to not fully identify as a male

Preach.

Well, shit. I'm a dude

I'm not a surgeon, but I can envisage ways of taking a cock, balls, and prostate gland and finding ways to fit them around existing female anatomy, but I don't think we could do it the other way round, as fun as that would be.

Well, my understanding of FTM SRS is that they essentially build a penis from the clitoris and sew up the vagina, so I guess they could just not seal off the vagina.

MTF, on the other hand.... Yeah, they basically invert the penis, form the clitoris from the glans, and use the scrotum to make the labia, so I'm not sure how that'd work.

Marijuana does not have the same medical negative effects as tobacco.

It has a whole host of different ones, including anxiety and testicular cancer.

Huh. All the more reason to get rid of my balls, then.

And mods, no, I'm not endorsing the recreational use of marijuana.

Oh, and hello everyone, it has been quite some time since I've been here. About 2 months if I do recall correctly.

Hey there! Welcome back.

[Czardas]

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

Overall, the aspect of gender identity is essentially a subconscious aspect by which a person identifies, of which they have no control. There are varying theories regarding the origin and exact nature of this identifier quality in human beings (with brain difference being only one of many), but transgender individuals can be explained as having a subconscious identification as female or male when they are biologically registered and assigned as male or female (respectively).

"Gender identity" is a somewhat vague term—I think there needs to be a separation between one's identified "social sex" (ie whether one wants to be seen as male or female, which has something to do with group identification, which in turn is imprinted sometime around ages 5-8) and "sex dysphoria", a term I think Nadkor was the one to turn me on to a few years back, which is a literal psychological or neurological body map ("homunculus") containing characteristics of the opposite sex, and which you're probably born with.

"Social sex" is obviously a social construct—there's no reason pronouns and names and spaces and whatever have to be segregated by (perceived) sex any more than they have to be segregated by eye colour. The other one I'm not so sure about.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Yes, I am pretty into anime, and yes, I'm a giant pervert. I fully admit this. I am a complete and utter sexual deviant.

However, that does not mean I cannot choose to not fully identify as a male

...I wasn't aware that it was a choice. I've kind of been led to believe that you can't choose to be Trans.

Then there's the dispute over:
>gender is a social construct
>Transgenders are born with the wrong gender/male-female brain (implying there is such a thing as a male or female brain)
>pick one.

You don't choose your gender. You choose what to do about it.

Gender is a social construct in that people assume things are much simpler than they are. Male = guy, female = gal. It's not that simple. There are two sexes in h sapiens, but various cultures throughout history have had from a single gender to dozens of genders to identify as. Many cultures still do, it's just not well known or studied; southeast Asian nations often have vibrant 'third gender' cultures, although that means different things to different people.

Trans people just wish to express themselves differently. While the two gender idea is limiting, it's nonetheless comforting and simple for most people, so a girl who doesn't feel like she is comfortable identifying as a girl can decide that she would rather be referred to as he. And to cement this change, trans people take hormones and sometimes undergo surgery.

Also, using 'transgenders' to refer to people is pretty demeaning.

[Noksentin]

Also, using 'transgenders' to refer to people is pretty demeaning.

How?

[Caelestiam]

Also, using 'transgenders' to refer to people is pretty demeaning.

How?

...exactly, what else are they? Is there some kind of hip n' chic Politically Correct way to refer to transgenders now?

...gr8.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

How?

...exactly, what else are they? Is there some kind of hip n' chic Politically Correct way to refer to transgenders now?

...gr8.

"Transpeople" is the term generally used.

"Transgenders/Transgendereds" just sounds like your referring to us as mentally ill.

[The Serbian Empire]

It sure has been a while.

Feels like its been at least six months to me. Lots of stuff have happened, in both good and stressful things, but mostly good things.

For me, it's been a steady decline in my mental state but it's been more a problem with emotions or lack of control on them.

[Veceria]

...exactly, what else are they? Is there some kind of hip n' chic Politically Correct way to refer to transgenders now?

...gr8.

"Transpeople" is the term generally used.

"Transgenders/Transgendereds" just sounds like your referring to us as mentally ill.

I say "transgender people", is that okay too?

[Philjia]

"Transpeople" is the term generally used.

"Transgenders/Transgendereds" just sounds like your referring to us as mentally ill.

I say "transgender people", is that okay too?

Yes. "People" is the important bit.