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[L Ron Cupboard]

Pubic ha...I'm sorry, you're talking nonsense.

I'm still not clear on when and why the entire Western world decided to turn into John Ruskin.

I have a theory that it is connected to beards being fashionable again.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm still not clear on when and why the entire Western world decided to turn into John Ruskin.

I have a theory that it is connected to beards being fashionable again.

The hair is transferable that way?

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

1) Harrappa is irrelevant since it doesn't contain erotic art.

2) Since both Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro are in Pakistan, and listed as World Heritage Sites by Pakistan, the Indian government's attitude towards those sites is even more irrelevant (though acknowledging that Kaligangan, Banawali, and Rakhigari are in India).

3) We're not asking about whether 10th-century sites should be protected as heritage, but whether you're for or against the promotion of the erotic art at a specific site given your stated staunch opposition to all forms of pornography.


For what it's worth, I freely acknowledge that bricks from Harappa were used in the construction of the Lahore-Multan railway in the 1840s; but this is entirely irrelevant to the present discussion about your stated opposition to all forms of pornography.





See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Not as hard as all of those penises at Khajuraho, anyway.

1) The point however is that the following art is not intended to be erotic, only a sick man would jack off to carvings at a temple. The following art must have some symbolic meaning dealing with various aspects of kama or others aspects of the great ancient vedic tradition. I am not sure about it.

Masturbating is perfectly normal and healthy, you know.

[Gauthier]

2) The point was to mention the fact that the British empire has done a lot to destroy cultural heritages of the world and therefore the culutral values of that island would not respect ancient monuments.

Hey boys and girls, do you know what to do everytime Manisdog talks about how evil the British are?



SCREAAAAAAAM!!

[Allanea]

[quote]2) The point was to mention the fact that the British empire has done a lot to destroy cultural heritages of the world and therefore the culutral values of that island would not respect ancient monuments.
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On the contrary, the British value ancient monuments a lot. That's why they stole so many.

[Allanea]

only a sick man would jack off to carvings at a temple

You realize many religions have sex (for example with temple prostitutes) and public masturbation as part of their rituals?

[Gauthier]

Perhaps it's a protest against the Iraq War; American women no longer wanted to be associated with Bush....

Maybe Jeb will reverse the trend.

"Maaaan, check out her jeb!"

[Alvecia]

2) The point was to mention the fact that the British empire has done a lot to destroy cultural heritages of the world and therefore the culutral values of that island would not respect ancient monuments rendering a debate about the symbolic values of a certain kinds of carvings difficult to explain

Theres a point, what are your opinions on ISIS destroying cultural artifacts and monuments? Hardly Western influence considering their motivations.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

only a sick man would jack off to carvings at a temple

You realize many religions have sex (for example with temple prostitutes) and public masturbation as part of their rituals?

Like in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_pr ... ient_India

[Gauthier]

2) The point was to mention the fact that the British empire has done a lot to destroy cultural heritages of the world and therefore the culutral values of that island would not respect ancient monuments rendering a debate about the symbolic values of a certain kinds of carvings difficult to explain

Theres a point, what are your opinions on ISIS destroying cultural artifacts and monuments? Hardly Western influence considering their motivations.

This is the part where he'll blame the British for IS destroying historical artifacts.

[Alvecia]

Theres a point, what are your opinions on ISIS destroying cultural artifacts and monuments? Hardly Western influence considering their motivations.

This is the part where he'll blame the British for IS destroying historical artifacts.

"They didn't know how to destroy things until the British showed them"

[The Archregimancy]

2) The point was to mention the fact that the British empire has done a lot to destroy cultural heritages of the world and therefore the culutral values of that island would not respect ancient monuments.

On the contrary, the British value ancient monuments a lot. That's why they stole so many.

Nothing was 'stolen' at Harappa. He's referring to the use of bricks from the Harappa site as track ballast for the construction of a railway in what's now Pakistan in 1857 (not 1847, as I wrote earlier in the thread). Which was undoubtedly terrible.

However: A) that was before anyone realised the significance of the Indus Valley civilisation; B) while it damaged the site, it was by no means destroyed; C) it was British archaeologists that subsequently led the excavation of Harappa and other Indus Valley sites in the period immediately after their significance was realised (though archaeologists from what are now Pakistan and India also made significant contributions prior to independence).

None of which, I repeat, has anything to do with the significance of the erotic sculptures on the Khajuraho monuments, or whether he objects to the depiction of a man fucking a horse on Hindu erotic temple architecture less or more than he objects to breasts in Playboy.

[Nazis in Space]

or whether he objects to the depiction of a man fucking a horse on Hindu erotic temple architecture less or more than he objects to breasts in Playboy.

Such crass language.

Also, to be entirely fair - horse mammaries are a lot less prominent than human mammaries, and horses tend to be dressed a lot more revealingly than humans, so the argument could be made that in context, that horse was being penetrated in a fashion most closely approximated by a human secretary being bent over a desk and having her skirt lifted - yes, it's still pornography, but in context, it may not exactly be on the hardcore end of the spectrum. Simply because horse nudity isn't anything special and nowhere near as sexualised as human nudity.

There is, admittedly, the issue of inter-species sexual activity, though if what I've been told by people working with horses (Herds thereof, I mean) is accurate, it isn't exactly uncommon for such encounters to be initiated by the horse. And as long as both sides are willing... Eh.

[Dakini]

1. "the Americas" are two continents, which include a number of countries. This is not really a fucking specific set of statistics you allude to and do not reference. Furthermore, there's a difference between countries where women report when they are raped and countries where women are raped because the local authorities decided this is how they should be punished for the transgressions of their family members or because they are afraid of reprisals from their assailants (alternatively, being honour-killed by their families or forced to marry their rapists when they report it). As much as the attitude toward sexual assault in the USA and Canada is not perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than the attitude authorities in India seem to adopt.
2. I do not live in the Americas right now.
3. Neither my home country nor my current country of residence are "bombing the shit out of some country".

Care to try again?

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

I'm not even from the USA. Nor do I live there. How the fuck is this relevant to me?

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

You can't just plagiarize wikipedia without so much as linking the fucking article. Also, you should demonstrate that the underreporting of rape in the USA is a worse problem than the underreporting of rape in India (a country where, again, women are sometimes outright murdered by their families after being raped or forced to marry their rapists... even if they were 10 when they were raped) before you get to complain about the underreporting of rapes to the police in the USA.

There is no need to spew venom

That's pretty rich, considering the source.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. "the Americas" are two continents, which include a number of countries. This is not really a fucking specific set of statistics you allude to and do not reference. Furthermore, there's a difference between countries where women report when they are raped and countries where women are raped because the local authorities decided this is how they should be punished for the transgressions of their family members or because they are afraid of reprisals from their assailants (alternatively, being honour-killed by their families or forced to marry their rapists when they report it). As much as the attitude toward sexual assault in the USA and Canada is not perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than the attitude authorities in India seem to adopt.
2. I do not live in the Americas right now.
3. Neither my home country nor my current country of residence are "bombing the shit out of some country".

Care to try again?

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

There is no need to spew venom

There seems to be a better need to point out that if you are at least going to paraphrase something, at least do it so we know it's not you plagiarizing.

[Dakini]

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

There is no need to spew venom

There seems to be a better need to point out that if you are at least going to paraphrase something, at least do it so we know it's not you plagiarizing.

He didn't paraphrase. He outright copied and pasted. He even left in the reference markers like we are all idiots who wouldn't notice. He definitely plagiarized something and it's probably wikipedia.

[Allanea]

Literally all crimes [except possibly murder] are underreported everywhere.

Still official crime stats, in countries that are not North Korea, are a generally good guideline to crime prevalence.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. "the Americas" are two continents, which include a number of countries. This is not really a fucking specific set of statistics you allude to and do not reference. Furthermore, there's a difference between countries where women report when they are raped and countries where women are raped because the local authorities decided this is how they should be punished for the transgressions of their family members or because they are afraid of reprisals from their assailants (alternatively, being honour-killed by their families or forced to marry their rapists when they report it). As much as the attitude toward sexual assault in the USA and Canada is not perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than the attitude authorities in India seem to adopt.
2. I do not live in the Americas right now.
3. Neither my home country nor my current country of residence are "bombing the shit out of some country".

Care to try again?

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

There is no need to spew venom

Source?

[Dakini]

Literally all crimes [except possibly murder] are underreported everywhere.

Still official crime stats, in countries that are not North Korea, are a generally good guideline to crime prevalence.

Source?

If I lived in Saudi Arabia, where my word was going to be counted as half of a man's, I wouldn't report being raped because reporting being raped would be taken as an admission of having sex outside of wedlock, which would get me lashes or stoned to death instead of getting any semblance of justice.

[Communes of Europe]

1. "the Americas" are two continents, which include a number of countries. This is not really a fucking specific set of statistics you allude to and do not reference. Furthermore, there's a difference between countries where women report when they are raped and countries where women are raped because the local authorities decided this is how they should be punished for the transgressions of their family members or because they are afraid of reprisals from their assailants (alternatively, being honour-killed by their families or forced to marry their rapists when they report it). As much as the attitude toward sexual assault in the USA and Canada is not perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than the attitude authorities in India seem to adopt.
2. I do not live in the Americas right now.
3. Neither my home country nor my current country of residence are "bombing the shit out of some country".

Care to try again?

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

There is no need to spew venom

"No need to spew venom"

[Allanea]

Literally all crimes [except possibly murder] are underreported everywhere.

Still official crime stats, in countries that are not North Korea, are a generally good guideline to crime prevalence.

Source?

If I lived in Saudi Arabia, where my word was going to be counted as half of a man's, I wouldn't report being raped because reporting being raped would be taken as an admission of having sex outside of wedlock, which would get me lashes or stoned to death instead of getting any semblance of justice.

Saudi Arabia is hardly the norm.

[USS Monitor]

If they want to get naked they should do it in the privacy of their homes. Think of the children!

My Aunt did, she got me a Playboy for my birthday, way back when.

It was worthless, of course. Bravo - It mattered back then! - didn't show any less and was cheaper.

Curious tidbit to the side - during the aforementioned 'Back then' era, Bravo actually published nudes of teenagers in the 14- 18 range ('Nudity' isn't automatically pornography under German law - overt sexualisation of the picture in question is necessary to qualify it as such. Now, the one time pictures of a thirteen-year old were published, it got the hammer dropped on it...). This has since ceased, though the pictures published now (18- 25 range) are noticeably more sexualised (Though not to the point where there'd be an age limit on purchase). I find this development - the increased sexualisation of nudity, combined with greater age-sensitivity - rather interesting (Though, in both aspects, not desirable) on the basis of the apparent (Though not actual) contradiction therein.

And I think it also explains a fair bit of the... culture shock may be an exaggeration, but let's say, modern - nevermind American - attitudes towards such things are weird to me. Along the lines of 'Where's the problem, again?'

It's a strange development, the simultaneous increase of sexualisation and shame.

Attitudes change with time, but it's not the sort of linear march toward more open-mindedness that people sometimes paint it as. I remember a time when the picture of a 13 year old might be the most socially acceptable of all because it was just assumed that everyone looking at it was heterosexual and not a pedo. I wonder what happened to our faith in humanity.

[USS Monitor]

1. "the Americas" are two continents, which include a number of countries. This is not really a fucking specific set of statistics you allude to and do not reference. Furthermore, there's a difference between countries where women report when they are raped and countries where women are raped because the local authorities decided this is how they should be punished for the transgressions of their family members or because they are afraid of reprisals from their assailants (alternatively, being honour-killed by their families or forced to marry their rapists when they report it). As much as the attitude toward sexual assault in the USA and Canada is not perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than the attitude authorities in India seem to adopt.
2. I do not live in the Americas right now.
3. Neither my home country nor my current country of residence are "bombing the shit out of some country".

Care to try again?

The thing is that even in the United States of America, rapes are undereported and your cops even eleiminate it from their records

A 2013 study found that rape is grossly underreported in the United States.[2] Furthermore, police departments around the country eliminate rapes from official records to "create the illusion of success in fighting violent crime".[3] Based on the available data, 21.8% of American rapes of female victims are gang rapes.

There is no need to spew venom

Come back to me when whole towns are getting together to organize rapes in the US.

Look, there are a lot of good things about Indian culture. I like the colorful clothes and the traditional art and architecture. Some of the food is good. Other food makes it feel like someone set off a bomb in your mouth because it is way too much spice, but to each his own. The rape culture is messed up and it needs to go.

[The Archregimancy]

or whether he objects to the depiction of a man fucking a horse on Hindu erotic temple architecture less or more than he objects to breasts in Playboy.

Such crass language.

Also, to be entirely fair - horse mammaries are a lot less prominent than human mammaries, and horses tend to be dressed a lot more revealingly than humans, so the argument could be made that in context, that horse was being penetrated in a fashion most closely approximated by a human secretary being bent over a desk and having her skirt lifted - yes, it's still pornography, but in context, it may not exactly be on the hardcore end of the spectrum. Simply because horse nudity isn't anything special and nowhere near as sexualised as human nudity.

There is, admittedly, the issue of inter-species sexual activity, though if what I've been told by people working with horses (Herds thereof, I mean) is accurate, it isn't exactly uncommon for such encounters to be initiated by the horse. And as long as both sides are willing... Eh.

Yes, it was crass language; deliberately so. I'd been using far more euphemistic language earlier in the thread, but hadn't been getting much traction. So I felt some shock value was in order to emphasise the point about the horse sex.

But it's not just human-equine bestiality, of course. The temples feature group sex, oral sex, erections, penetrative heterosexual sex - all explicit enough that I can't actually post images in this thread. The horse is just the icing on the metaphorical cake. But somehow these explicit portrayals of human sexual behaviour are acceptable because it's 'symbolic' and 'art', whereas the comparatively tame nudity in Playboy is somehow a sign of disgusting Western moral decadence.

And, with one notable exception, I think most people in the thread might see some minor inconsistency here; art those temples undoubtedly are, among other things, but it's not as if we're comparing Rubens' Judgement of Paris with last month's Playmate of the Month.

[Ethel mermania]

Such crass language.

Also, to be entirely fair - horse mammaries are a lot less prominent than human mammaries, and horses tend to be dressed a lot more revealingly than humans, so the argument could be made that in context, that horse was being penetrated in a fashion most closely approximated by a human secretary being bent over a desk and having her skirt lifted - yes, it's still pornography, but in context, it may not exactly be on the hardcore end of the spectrum. Simply because horse nudity isn't anything special and nowhere near as sexualised as human nudity.

There is, admittedly, the issue of inter-species sexual activity, though if what I've been told by people working with horses (Herds thereof, I mean) is accurate, it isn't exactly uncommon for such encounters to be initiated by the horse. And as long as both sides are willing... Eh.

Yes, it was crass language; deliberately so. I'd been using far more euphemistic language earlier in the thread, but hadn't been getting much traction. So I felt some shock value was in order to emphasise the point about the horse sex.

But it's not just human-equine bestiality, of course. The temples feature group sex, oral sex, erections, penetrative heterosexual sex - all explicit enough that I can't actually post images in this thread. The horse is just the icing on the metaphorical cake. But somehow these explicit portrayals of human sexual behaviour are acceptable because it's 'symbolic' and 'art', whereas the comparatively tame nudity in Playboy is somehow a sign of disgusting Western moral decadence.

And, with one notable exception, I think most people in the thread might see some minor inconsistency here; art those temples undoubtedly are, among other things, but it's not as if we're comparing Rubens' Judgement of Paris with last month's Playmate of the Month.

How about the cruel rape and seduction of lucrecia?