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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:53 am

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Naushantiya wrote:It very much does....

Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.

There is no doubt that even Indian pornographic material is produced as an imitation of the western stuff. The majority of porn consumed in India comes from the west, it is west that basically made pornography big. Institutions like playboy are far bigger than let us say debonair, which has stopped doing this topless stuff a long time ago

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:55 am

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Alvecia wrote:Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.


Nonsense, India does nothing wrong. India is best country in world, everyone is rich and lives in palaces, India has no porn, no crime and no western scum.

I think I'm doing the ultranationalist thing right

No what you essentially do is miscontrue and cheapen arguments. A classic thing to do, when your are on the wrong and loosing side of a debate

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:55 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.

There is no doubt that even Indian pornographic material is produced as an imitation of the western stuff. The majority of porn consumed in India comes from the west, it is west that basically made pornography big. Institutions like playboy are far bigger than let us say debonair, which has stopped doing this topless stuff a long time ago

Sounds like you know a lot about porn. Clearly this means you're just another decadent westerner and cannot be trusted.

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:55 am

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Naushantiya wrote:However, it would be interesting to know what kind of comparison do you intend to apply on Indian porn vs playboy porn

and what is the exact reason you wish to cheapen the debate to indian porn vs western porn.

I solely speak about the western concept of pornography

I'm trying to discern if you oppose all porn or just western porn.

I oppose all porn, I think that should be understood.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:56 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nonsense, India does nothing wrong. India is best country in world, everyone is rich and lives in palaces, India has no porn, no crime and no western scum.

I think I'm doing the ultranationalist thing right

No what you essentially do is miscontrue and cheapen arguments. A classic thing to do, when your are on the wrong and loosing side of a debate


Oh I'm not part of this debate, I already know it's pointless to argue against you because your head is buried in the sand. I'm just poking fun at that fact.

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Naushantiya wrote:However, it would be interesting to know what kind of comparison do you intend to apply on Indian porn vs playboy porn

and what is the exact reason you wish to cheapen the debate to indian porn vs western porn.

I solely speak about the western concept of pornography

I'm trying to discern if you oppose all porn or just western porn.


They oppose everything that isn't 110% Indian.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:58 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I'm trying to discern if you oppose all porn or just western porn.

I oppose all porn, I think that should be understood.

Well, it wasn't. Thanks for answering my question.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:58 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.

There is no doubt that even Indian pornographic material is produced as an imitation of the western stuff. The majority of porn consumed in India comes from the west, it is west that basically made pornography big. Institutions like playboy are far bigger than let us say debonair, which has stopped doing this topless stuff a long time ago


This implies the Kama Sutra was influenced by the West.

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:No what you essentially do is miscontrue and cheapen arguments. A classic thing to do, when your are on the wrong and loosing side of a debate


Oh I'm not part of this debate, I already know it's pointless to argue against you because your head is buried in the sand. I'm just poking fun at that fact.

Eol Sha wrote:I'm trying to discern if you oppose all porn or just western porn.


They oppose everything that isn't 110% Indian.



Would not that be an open admission to breaking a certain rule in the forum.

However, as that not being under my purview, I would highly recommend doing something else like debating on topics on which you would like to debate on

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:00 am

Alvecia wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:There is no doubt that even Indian pornographic material is produced as an imitation of the western stuff. The majority of porn consumed in India comes from the west, it is west that basically made pornography big. Institutions like playboy are far bigger than let us say debonair, which has stopped doing this topless stuff a long time ago


This implies the Kama Sutra was influenced by the West.

The Kama Sutra is not a pornographic material, the points have been written in a post written earlier. Kindly read for any further clarification

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:02 am

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Alvecia wrote:
This implies the Kama Sutra was influenced by the West.

The Kama Sutra is not a pornographic material, the points have been written in a post written earlier. Kindly read for any further clarification


pornography
pɔːˈnɒɡrəfi/
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noun: pornography

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

What here does the Kama Sutra not do?

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:04 am

Alvecia wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:The Kama Sutra is not a pornographic material, the points have been written in a post written earlier. Kindly read for any further clarification


pornography
pɔːˈnɒɡrəfi/
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noun: pornography

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

What here does the Kama Sutra not do?



The Sutras are not intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Only a sick man would get stimulated by the sutras, they are a method of instruction

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:09 am

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Alvecia wrote:
pornography
pɔːˈnɒɡrəfi/
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noun: pornography

printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

What here does the Kama Sutra not do?



The Sutras are not intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Only a sick man would get stimulated by the sutras, they are a method of instruction


This supposes that the sexual material inside the Sutras is not stimulatory. Sexual stimulation is not a voluntary biological process.

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:11 am

Alvecia wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:

The Sutras are not intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Only a sick man would get stimulated by the sutras, they are a method of instruction


This supposes that the sexual material inside the Sutras is not stimulatory. Sexual stimulation is not a voluntary biological process.


The material inside any of the sutras is not maintain to stimulate, only a fool jacks of the to sutras like to the porn. It is a method instruction on the correct and proper ways of sexual practice like a guide book that prescribes certain laws and certain positions that are ideal

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:14 am

Alvecia wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:It very much does....

Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.

Not really, there are always outliers. In India porn is an outlier, in the San Fernando valley, porn is a primary industry.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:16 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Actually it doesn't. Just because India doesn't produce as much porn doesn't negate the fact that it still does.

Not really, there are always outliers. In India porn is an outlier, in the San Fernando valley, porn is a primary industry.

The two aren't really comparable what with India being a nation of a billion-plus people.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:18 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I'm trying to discern if you oppose all porn or just western porn.

I oppose all porn, I think that should be understood.


Then you're naturally against the Indian Government's decision to list the Khajuraho Monuments as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

For goodness sake, that's Hindu architecture that not only shows naked men and women having group sex, but shows a man having sex with a horse. And it's now a tourist attraction helping to share the glories of medieval Indian civilisation that just happens to have an average five-star rating on Trip Advisor - most of those reviews coming from your fellow Indians.

Presumably you denounce this disgusting promotion of rampant promiscuity with both humans and animals in the same way you denounce the moral evils of Playboy.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:20 am

Naushantiya wrote:
Alvecia wrote:
This supposes that the sexual material inside the Sutras is not stimulatory. Sexual stimulation is not a voluntary biological process.


The material inside any of the sutras is not maintain to stimulate, only a fool jacks of the to sutras like to the porn. It is a method instruction on the correct and proper ways of sexual practice like a guide book that prescribes certain laws and certain positions that are ideal


I never said that people jack off to it, just that they may find it stimulating, which as I noted, is an involuntary biologcal reaction, which I noted, you avoided addressing

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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:22 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:I oppose all porn, I think that should be understood.


Then you're naturally against the Indian Government's decision to list the Khajuraho Monuments as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

For goodness sake, that's Hindu architecture that not only shows naked men and women having group sex, but shows a man having sex with a horse. And it's now a tourist attraction helping to share the glories of medieval Indian civilisation that just happens to have an average five-star rating on Trip Advisor - most of those reviews coming from your fellow Indians.

Presumably you denounce this disgusting promotion of rampant promiscuity with both humans and animals in the same way you denounce the moral evils of Playboy.

That can't be a real Indian monument. It must have been built by ebul Westerners.

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:22 am

Alvecia wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:


No, but to be pornographic, the sexual stimulation has to be intended, rather than peripheral.

The Kama Sutra was a sexual education textbook of sorts, amongst other more unsavoury things.

edit: of course I managed to break the goddamn quote
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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:23 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Naushantiya wrote:I oppose all porn, I think that should be understood.


Then you're naturally against the Indian Government's decision to list the Khajuraho Monuments as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

For goodness sake, that's Hindu architecture that not only shows naked men and women having group sex, but shows a man having sex with a horse. And it's now a tourist attraction helping to share the glories of medieval Indian civilisation that just happens to havean average five-star rating on Trip Advisor - most of those reviews coming from your fellow Indians.

Presumably you denounce this disgusting promotion of rampant promiscuity with both humans and animals in the same way you denounce the moral evils of Playboy.


The Khajurao monuments do not fucking make a living out selling sex to adolescents to nine year olds and promote global debauchery at a global scale. They are just monuments of a time long gone by, but I can understand that your country has like a 200 year old culture , if that it has a culture at all. I doubt you would understand anything about having a sense of history
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:24 am

Naushantiya wrote: I doubt you would understand anything about having a sense of history


Arch you should probably quit your job, I feel like this is a necessity in your line of work and your academic experience for the past many years. It's quite shocking you haven't gained a historical understanding in all the time you've spent gaining a historical understanding.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:24 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Alvecia wrote:


No, but to be pornographic, the sexual stimulation has to be intended, rather than peripheral.

The Kama Sutra was a sexual education textbook of sorts, amongst other more unsavoury things.

edit: of course I managed to break the goddamn quote


Hmmm, maybe you're right. I'll concede the point.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:27 am

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
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Then you're naturally against the Indian Government's decision to list the Khajuraho Monuments as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

For goodness sake, that's Hindu architecture that not only shows naked men and women having group sex, but shows a man having sex with a horse. And it's now a tourist attraction helping to share the glories of medieval Indian civilisation that just happens to have an average five-star rating on Trip Advisor - most of those reviews coming from your fellow Indians.

Presumably you denounce this disgusting promotion of rampant promiscuity with both humans and animals in the same way you denounce the moral evils of Playboy.

That can't be a real Indian monument. It must have been built by ebul Westerners.


Please, let's not cheapen the debate. Let's allow Naushantiya to respond without further provocation.

He clearly opposes the pornographic content in Playboy, which is fine. We just need to see whether he's as equally opposed to the far more sexually explicit portrayals of intercourse in Madhya Pradesh, and the Indian government's decision to promote these sites of decadent sexual perversity as World Heritage Sites; and if not, why not.


Naushantiya wrote:The Khajurao monuments do not fucking make a living out selling sex to adolescents to nine year olds and promote global debauchery at a global scale.


I happily concede the point on 'selling sex to nine year olds'.

But global debauchery on a global scale? How is making a site containing sculptures of group sex and of a man having sex with a horse a UNESCO World Heritage Site not 'promoting debauchery on a global scale'?

Has Playboy ever shown erect penises or bestiality?
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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:28 am

Naushantiya wrote:This leads to many problems as people tend to fuck more at young ages leading to social problems like teenage pregnancy as my source shows that western countries have more people who are pregnant at young ages.

Sub-Saharan Africa is Western?

The west in it's quest in the destruction of all other cultures is promoting this kind of consumerism to the world,and therefore exports this kind of shit to the rest of the world. I would like to further reiterate my point that not only abolishing nudes is not enough, we need to ban the playboy magzine and make sure that no such thing touches and pollutes our essentially hindu soil

Yes, yes, ebul west, traditional values, glorious hindus, blablabla. You sound exactly like American Christian Conservatives, and that's bad.

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Postby Naushantiya » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:29 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Naushantiya wrote: I doubt you would understand anything about having a sense of history


Arch you should probably quit your job, I feel like this is a necessity in your line of work and your academic experience for the past many years. It's quite shocking you haven't gained a historical understanding in all the time you've spent gaining a historical understanding.


Anybody who would even suggest destroying ancient monuments or structures lacks a sense of history and the British have a history of that, let's not get into the amount of harrapan bricks they shamelessly stole.

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