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What is your religion?

Wiccan/Neo-Wiccan
4
1%
Neo-Druidic
7
3%
Heathen (Norse/Germanic)
30
11%
Hellenic or Roman Polytheist
15
5%
Celtic Polytheist
11
4%
Kemetic (Egyptian)
8
3%
Other pagan
34
12%
Non-pagan religion
85
31%
Irreligious
80
29%
 
Total votes : 274

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Nature-Spirits
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:10 am

Meryuma wrote:
Jochistan wrote:What do you guys think of "Pagan" Traditions Syncretic with Abrahamic religions? Like forms of Folk Christianity and Islam such as Voodoo and Alevism?

Do you think said heterodox groups are better than the Orthodox versions of the Abrahamic faiths? Do you think they're more "Pagan "or Abrahamic


Alevism seems more Muslim than Pagan. Haitian Vodou is definitely more Pagan than Christian tho and is really cool. I kinda like seeing Abrahamic folk practices like local saint cult myself ("cult" here used in the Roman sense). On an aesthetic level I certainly prefer Catholicism and Orthodoxy to Protestantism, for instance.

I feel pretty much the same way about all of that.

I should also note that hints of Christian traditions do appear in my own practice, although very little to none of my theology is informed by Christianity. For instance, I celebrate the Anglo-Christian holidays, because a) my family's culturally Christian, and b) many of them have become secular holidays, both in society at large and in my family's practices (none of my immediate family are Christian). Additionally, I do own one or two rosaries (and I think I have a set of Muslim prayer beads, too), although I don't really use them for anything. I could conceivably use them for a meditation/prayer focus, though, since that's essentially what they're meant to be.

Anyway, my point is that it would be hypocritical of me to revile syncretic religions and when I, myself, am most certainly syncretic on a number of levels.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:16 am

Meryuma wrote:
Jochistan wrote:What do you guys think of "Pagan" Traditions Syncretic with Abrahamic religions? Like forms of Folk Christianity and Islam such as Voodoo and Alevism?

Do you think said heterodox groups are better than the Orthodox versions of the Abrahamic faiths? Do you think they're more "Pagan "or Abrahamic


Alevism seems more Muslim than Pagan. Haitian Vodou is definitely more Pagan than Christian tho and is really cool. I kinda like seeing Abrahamic folk practices like local saint cult myself ("cult" here used in the Roman sense). On an aesthetic level I certainly prefer Catholicism and Orthodoxy to Protestantism, for instance.

Alevi-Bektashism, I think does adhere strongly to Islamic tradition.
But seems to incorporate a lot of Turkic Shamanism, Gnostic "Heresies" and even some Neoplatonism in there. I really do admire their beliefs and the teachings of Haji Bektash Veli. Even if a lot of it is pretty out there.

But whether they're actually Muslim or just Monotheistic Shamanists with Gnostic Elements, They seem like a nice community.
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Postby Cre Drago » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:24 am

Hello all!
I recently came out to my extremely Christian family about being a Pagan and I feel alone and isolated. Any sort of contact would be appricated

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Postby Kynjold » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:28 am

Cre Drago wrote:Hello all!
I recently came out to my extremely Christian family about being a Pagan and I feel alone and isolated. Any sort of contact would be appricated

You can always explain your decision. If their fundies well then...

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Postby Cre Drago » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:29 am

I have 3 pastor and a church board director in my family I think they think I am insane.

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Postby Kynjold » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:31 am

Cre Drago wrote:I have 3 pastor and a church board director in my family I think they think I am insane.

Well, explain why you turned to the old ways. Do you believe in the gods as metaphors (like the edgy Minnesotans) or as real, very existing Gods?

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Postby Cre Drago » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:34 am

I'm not sure yet. I have a family calling on the otherside that goes back to the Celts. So I feel a pull that direction?

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Postby Kynjold » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:37 am

Cre Drago wrote:I'm not sure yet. I have a family calling on the otherside that goes back to the Celts. So I feel a pull that direction?

So you would like to believe in the gods literally?
http://aprilbos.blogspot.com.au/2011/03 ... anism.html
http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/recomme ... nBooks.htm
http://www.ecauldron.net/celticbasics.php

Some sites.

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Cre Drago
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Postby Cre Drago » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:38 am

Thanks! I've been doing my research, I just wish I knew how to deal with my oppressive family.

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Postby Kynjold » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:40 am

Cre Drago wrote:Thanks! I've been doing my research, I just wish I knew how to deal with my oppressive family.

If I was you I'd blast some trve satanik blakk metal, but you probably shouldn't. Just let them know you aren't a nude, bloodthirsty pirate. Try and tell them about your beliefs in a neutral tone.

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Postby Cre Drago » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:41 am

Should I do it with them all as a group or individually?

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Postby Kynjold » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:43 am

Cre Drago wrote:Should I do it with them all as a group or individually?

Whatever you feel comfortable with. I was born into a polytheist family so I haven't really dealt with this. Try asking Mermyuma or whatever their name is. They seem pretty smart.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:10 pm

How do you guys feel about the whole Stephen McNallen and Heathens United Against Racism spat going on right now?
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:33 pm

Cre Drago wrote:Should I do it with them all as a group or individually?


I'd advise going individually to start with. decide the person(s) who are likely to be the most supportive of you and talk to them about your interest in your celtic heritage and the beliefs. If they are understanding then great you have someone who can support you as you move forward, if they don't then you will have gained a better insight into the challenges you are facing.

Once you have the allies then go and let other members of your family know - how you do that will be unique to you but I assume you know who the most important people in your life are, who will be the most able to influence others and who are going to be the hard nuts.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:48 pm

Cre Drago wrote:Should I do it with them all as a group or individually?

You could just start dressing like an ancient Druid, leaving sheets of acid around the house, cringing at the sight of the cross, and blasting hardcore death metal in your room at the most inconvenient hours. Might get the message across.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:53 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Cre Drago wrote:Should I do it with them all as a group or individually?

You could just start dressing like an ancient Druid, leaving sheets of acid around the house, cringing at the sight of the cross, and blasting hardcore death metal in your room at the most inconvenient hours. Might get the message across.


Pfft. Everyone knows pagans listen to black metal.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You could just start dressing like an ancient Druid, leaving sheets of acid around the house, cringing at the sight of the cross, and blasting hardcore death metal in your room at the most inconvenient hours. Might get the message across.


Pfft. Everyone knows pagans listen to black metal.

And it has to be in Norwegian.
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Postby Kynjold » Tue Feb 02, 2016 11:47 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Pfft. Everyone knows pagans listen to black metal.

And it has to be in Norwegian.

Or Finnish.

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:40 am

Fuck Stephen McNallen, he's shown himself to be a Nazi sympathizer like 2 different times. Heathenry is about ancient & medieval Germanic cultures; it has nothing to do with "whiteness". I feel like the average "folkish heathen" would far sooner take in a Celt or a Slav than an African with Norse or Vandalic blood. Not that it should matter; the Viking Age Norse were far-wandering traders who comingled with groups from modern-day Canada (Vinland) to the Eurasian steppes.

also yay, I seem pretty smart apparently.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:46 am

Since I am a Buddhist, I guess I technically qualify as a Pagan.

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:47 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Since I am a Buddhist, I guess I technically qualify as a Pagan.


What tradition?
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Potarius wrote:
Neo Arcad wrote:Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass.


In layman's terms, orgy time.


Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.


Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."


Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.



Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.

Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...

*puts on sunglasses*

blow out of proportions."

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

...so here's your future

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Postby Kynjold » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:50 am

Meryuma wrote:Fuck Stephen McNallen, he's shown himself to be a Nazi sympathizer like 2 different times. Heathenry is about ancient & medieval Germanic cultures; it has nothing to do with "whiteness". I feel like the average "folkish heathen" would far sooner take in a Celt or a Slav than an African with Norse or Vandalic blood. Not that it should matter; the Viking Age Norse were far-wandering traders who comingled with groups from modern-day Canada (Vinland) to the Eurasian steppes.

also yay, I seem pretty smart apparently.

You also need to Fuck Edgy Vargpagans.

"Thor is the living example of the Aryan nation"

bitch no thor has red hair

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:50 am

Meryuma wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Since I am a Buddhist, I guess I technically qualify as a Pagan.


What tradition?

Mahayana (Chan-Pure Land mostly)

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Postby Immoren » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:53 am

Kynjold wrote:
Meryuma wrote:Fuck Stephen McNallen, he's shown himself to be a Nazi sympathizer like 2 different times. Heathenry is about ancient & medieval Germanic cultures; it has nothing to do with "whiteness". I feel like the average "folkish heathen" would far sooner take in a Celt or a Slav than an African with Norse or Vandalic blood. Not that it should matter; the Viking Age Norse were far-wandering traders who comingled with groups from modern-day Canada (Vinland) to the Eurasian steppes.

also yay, I seem pretty smart apparently.

You also need to Fuck Edgy Vargpagans.

"Thor is the living example of the Aryan nation"

bitch no thor has red hair


Why I am reminded of this.
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Postby Kynjold » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:14 am

Immoren wrote:
Kynjold wrote:You also need to Fuck Edgy Vargpagans.

"Thor is the living example of the Aryan nation"

bitch no thor has red hair


Why I am reminded of this.

Because Marvel ""Thor"" is an utter disgrace.

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