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What is your religion?

Wiccan/Neo-Wiccan
4
1%
Neo-Druidic
7
3%
Heathen (Norse/Germanic)
30
11%
Hellenic or Roman Polytheist
15
5%
Celtic Polytheist
11
4%
Kemetic (Egyptian)
8
3%
Other pagan
34
12%
Non-pagan religion
85
31%
Irreligious
80
29%
 
Total votes : 274

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:39 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
The State of Islam wrote:is funny tho

Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:40 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

So is catholic guilt.

It got my main Benuty banned.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:41 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

So is catholic guilt.

It got my main Benuty banned.

That's too bad, I apologize for your loss.

Howabout antagonizing polytheists?
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:42 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

Oh, I don't tend to find such jokes funny. I was just trying to point out the poster's hypocrisy.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So is catholic guilt.

It got my main Benuty banned.

That's too bad, I apologize for your loss.

Howabout antagonizing polytheists?

Oh, no. See, any religion that's not part of the Big Three doesn't really count as a religion. *nods*
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So is catholic guilt.

It got my main Benuty banned.

That's too bad, I apologize for your loss.

Howabout antagonizing polytheists?


Well for one you used the correct term.

I despise the corruption by certain authorities in Christendom from its original meaning of country dweller.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:45 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

Oh, I don't tend to find such jokes funny. I was just trying to point out the poster's hypocrisy.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm in the same boat, but whistleblowers report my nation for nearly anything these days.

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:That's too bad, I apologize for your loss.

Howabout antagonizing polytheists?

Oh, no. See, any religion that's not part of the Big Three doesn't really count as a religion. *nods*


Sighh
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:46 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Oh, I don't tend to find such jokes funny. I was just trying to point out the poster's hypocrisy.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm in the same boat, but whistleblowers report my nation for nearly anything these days.

Nature-Spirits wrote:Oh, no. See, any religion that's not part of the Big Three doesn't really count as a religion. *nods*


Sighh

Damn, that's too bad. :(
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:47 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

So is catholic guilt.

It got my main Benuty banned.


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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:48 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:That's too bad, I apologize for your loss.

Howabout antagonizing polytheists?


Well for one you used the correct term.

I despise the corruption by certain authorities in Christendom from its original meaning of country dweller.

Yeah, I do as well. Especially since it's now a sort of derrogatory term.

Sort of ironic, the name of this thread.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:52 pm

Well, not all pagans are necessarily polytheists, so there's that. *shrugs*
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:59 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:Well, not all pagans are necessarily polytheists, so there's that. *shrugs*

I can't think of any, can you?
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:02 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

not really since that makes up 50% of most threads on religion and like 75% of posts on "multiculturalism" threads . You'd just get dogpiled by a couple of well known liberal nations and a flame war would start.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:05 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Well, not all pagans are necessarily polytheists, so there's that. *shrugs*

I can't think of any, can you?

Some forms of Tengriism. And there was the Native american "Great Spirit" religion that's arguably monotheistic. I have no idea how many of the Egyptian pagans here worship Aten either.

Hinduism also has a tradition in which all the Devas and spiritual beings are but emanations of the Brahman. Which is in accordance with the teachings of the Upanishads and a pretty popular form of it if my Hindu friends can be trusted on the subject.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:05 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Well, not all pagans are necessarily polytheists, so there's that. *shrugs*

I can't think of any, can you?

Well, some could be classified as pantheists or panentheists. Many more would be better classified as animists than as polytheists, although there can definitely be overlap between the two. It depends on how broad of a scope you're using in your definition, really.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:13 pm

Most of the pagans I've met are pagan for nationalist reasons. Like African Americans getting into Kemetism, Some Whites getting into Nordic/Celtic paganism, and generally Indigenous Peoples trying to get back to their roots.

Do you guys think that being pagan as a response to ethnic history and a sense of national pride is healthy?

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Even if I don't believe the ideology, people all have their way of showing pride in their heritage.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:22 pm

Jochistan wrote:Most of the pagans I've met are pagan for nationalist reasons. Like African Americans getting into Kemetism, Some Whites getting into Nordic/Celtic paganism, and generally Indigenous Peoples trying to get back to their roots.

Do you guys think that being pagan as a response to ethnic history and a sense of national pride is healthy?

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Even if I don't believe the ideology, people all have their way of showing pride in their heritage.

There seems to be alot of Turks returning to the worship of Tengri since their ancestors did it. Most are from the intellectual class who tend to dislike the current government. Not all of them are like that though.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:26 pm

Jochistan wrote:Most of the pagans I've met are pagan for nationalist reasons. Like African Americans getting into Kemetism, Some Whites getting into Nordic/Celtic paganism, and generally Indigenous Peoples trying to get back to their roots.

Do you guys think that being pagan as a response to ethnic history and a sense of national pride is healthy?

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Even if I don't believe the ideology, people all have their way of showing pride in their heritage.

Depends on how far they take their national pride, really. It's good to be proud of your identity, but it's bad to take that the the extent that you think your group is superior to others'.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:28 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Most of the pagans I've met are pagan for nationalist reasons. Like African Americans getting into Kemetism, Some Whites getting into Nordic/Celtic paganism, and generally Indigenous Peoples trying to get back to their roots.

Do you guys think that being pagan as a response to ethnic history and a sense of national pride is healthy?

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Even if I don't believe the ideology, people all have their way of showing pride in their heritage.

There seems to be alot of Turks returning to the worship of Tengri since their ancestors did it. Most are from the intellectual class who tend to dislike the current government. Not all of them are like that though.

Yeah. I've noticed that too somewhat. although it's not many of them. Most Azeris and Turkish who practice it make it syncretic with other faiths. It happens all across Central Asia to a limited but pretty notable extent, as well.

Elbegdorj,The current Mongolian President apparently converted to some version of it.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:37 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Most of the pagans I've met are pagan for nationalist reasons. Like African Americans getting into Kemetism, Some Whites getting into Nordic/Celtic paganism, and generally Indigenous Peoples trying to get back to their roots.

Do you guys think that being pagan as a response to ethnic history and a sense of national pride is healthy?

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Even if I don't believe the ideology, people all have their way of showing pride in their heritage.

Depends on how far they take their national pride, really. It's good to be proud of your identity, but it's bad to take that the the extent that you think your group is superior to others'.

Yeah. but seeing your heritage as great and celebrating it is often confused with you thinking your heretage is "superior" these days.

And sometimes your culture's practices really are superior to some other peoples.
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Postby The State of Islam » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:41 pm

Nature-Spirits wrote:
The State of Islam wrote:is funny tho

Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

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Postby The State of Islam » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:43 pm

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The State of Islam wrote:Pagan is British slang for a fake

Since when? :eyebrow:

where you been cuz
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:43 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:Funny is subjective.
For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.

I was going to make this joke, but speaking ill of the Religion of Peace is a bannable offense on these forums.

I doubt it.


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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:47 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The State of Islam wrote:where you been cuz

In the United Kingdom - the country where British slang comes from.

SoI might want to apply water in the burned area.
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