Pagan Discussion Thread

[Nature-Spirits]

You really don't?

Not if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing.

^ This.

Also, let's try to keep an argument over the ethics of sex work in general out of this thread. Asherahan, the loaded question "You really don't?" is not conducive to civil discussion on the ethics of religious prostitution.

[snip]
I also believe that, while all gods are real beings, that they are most likely constructs formed from the thoughts of humans. In that sense, I see them as independent beings, but (just like humans) part of a larger "All".

I have to say, I like that. I have a tendency to vacillate between hard and soft polytheism (though I never bought into the "all gods are one" theology); this theory seems to make sense to me.

Hmm, thanks. I have a bit of a tendency to do that, too. I used to believe in the "all gods are one" theology, but I've since moved away from that.

Although, I am a bit of a pantheist, or maybe a panentheist, I suppose.

I have a tendency to vacillate between hard and soft polytheism (though I never bought into the "all gods are one" theology); this theory seems to make sense to me.

Same here. I very much dislike the idea that all the gods are one god.

For example, how are Perun and Veles the same god? Their counterparts in Norse mythology are Thor and probably Loki or Jormungand. They are arch enemies and completely the opposite from one another. If all the gods are one, then this one god has a fairly complicated inner struggle within himself.

I don't think it's so much the belief that all the gods are one "person" as it is the belief that all gods are part of one entity -- just as two mountains might both be part of the same mountain range (and therefore can be defined as two parts of one thing), but are also two separate things.

And while it's not really what I believe, I don't think it's necessarily false.

[Asherahan]

Not if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing.

^ This.

Also, let's try to keep an argument over the ethics of sex work in general out of this thread. Asherahan, the loaded question "You really don't?" is not conducive to civil discussion on the ethics of religious prostitution.

Loaded question? I would argue that it ain't loaded at all.

Though if you wanna drop it then fine I am not gonna argue.

[Nature-Spirits]

^ This.

Also, let's try to keep an argument over the ethics of sex work in general out of this thread. Asherahan, the loaded question "You really don't?" is not conducive to civil discussion on the ethics of religious prostitution.

Loaded question? I would argue that it ain't loaded at all.

Though if you wanna drop it then fine I am not gonna argue.

No, I'm not saying we can't discuss it. I'm just saying that if we're going to discuss it, each position should be backed up, and we should keep things civil.

For instance, some of us are of the position that if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you disagree? Why or why not?

[Asherahan]

Loaded question? I would argue that it ain't loaded at all.

Though if you wanna drop it then fine I am not gonna argue.

No, I'm not saying we can't discuss it. I'm just saying that if we're going to discuss it, each position should be backed up, and we should keep things civil.

For instance, some of us are of the position that if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you disagree? Why or why not?

Oh I agree with that but to what extent do you support such a thing?
What if religious prostitution also extents to people below the age of consent is that fine too?

[Nature-Spirits]

No, I'm not saying we can't discuss it. I'm just saying that if we're going to discuss it, each position should be backed up, and we should keep things civil.

For instance, some of us are of the position that if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you disagree? Why or why not?

Oh I agree with that but to what extent do you support such a thing?
What if religious prostitution also extents to people below the age of consent is that fine too?

Hmm. Well, if some or all of the participants are below the age of consent, then they can't legally consent. I'd have to say no to that.

What are your thoughts?

[Asherahan]

Oh I agree with that but to what extent do you support such a thing?
What if religious prostitution also extents to people below the age of consent is that fine too?

Hmm. Well, if some or all of the participants are below the age of consent, then they can't legally consent. I'd have to say no to that.

What are your thoughts?

To this debacle? Well it's a hypothetical question about my made up religion where incest,partner sharing and religious prostitution for minors and adults are part of traditions and rituals.

In real life I suppose we should do something but I don't think many religions have religious prostitution anymore for this to be taken seriously.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ashe ... /id=531444

[The Grey Wolf]

No, I'm not saying we can't discuss it. I'm just saying that if we're going to discuss it, each position should be backed up, and we should keep things civil.

For instance, some of us are of the position that if it serves a purpose within the religion and all participants are willing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Do you disagree? Why or why not?

Oh I agree with that but to what extent do you support such a thing?
What if religious prostitution also extents to people below the age of consent is that fine too?

I'm not aware of any instance where it would extend to that, and if it did, then the age of consent would take precedence.

There are some esoteric practices in Tibetan Buddhism that say a lama can have sex with prepubescent girls, but as far as I know, none of them do that here in America.

[The State of Islam]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

[New confederate ramenia]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

Some of the pagans here actually aren't theists, per se.

[The State of Islam]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

Some of the pagans here actually aren't theists, per se.

What do you mean "per se"?

[New confederate ramenia]

Some of the pagans here actually aren't theists, per se.

What do you mean "per se"?

It's a bit odd, IIRC some of them view pagan gods as "mental archetypes" and don't really worship them.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

Being agnostic or less concrete about it is no sillier than being a fundamentalist monotheist.

[Seaxlandee]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

I'm a theistic pagan. Are you a serious salafi?

[Nature-Spirits]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

In fact, we are all rebellious pseudo-philosophers sticking it to The Man. We plan to use our Wiccan space magickque to dethrone YHWH and convert the Pope to our Satanic ways. Beware, for the fall of civilisation is nigh.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are you guys serious theistic pagans? Or just in it to be rebellious or philosophical? Or a mix?

In fact, we are all rebellious pseudo-philosophers sticking it to The Man.

How dare you steal my title.

[The State of Islam]

"Forget the Pagans, so the real Mandem can shine"
http://youtu.be/I9pF2ZzsksA

Man don't run with the pagans

[Immoren]

"Forget the Pagans, so the real Mandem can shine"
http://youtu.be/I9pF2ZzsksA

Man don't run with the pagans

My stubby legs are worthless in running anyway.

[The State of Islam]

"Forget the Pagans, so the real Mandem can shine"
http://youtu.be/I9pF2ZzsksA

Man don't run with the pagans

My stubby legs are worthless in running anyway.

Pagan is British slang for a fake

[Nature-Spirits]

My stubby legs are worthless in running anyway.

Pagan is British slang for a fake

That's nice. We're not using that definition in this context, however, so this is all irrelevant. If you wish to have a productive discussion, that's great! But if you're only interested in quoting rappers, then you're free to leave.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Ishtar why did we ever stop worshipping you...

Because they murdered every male they had sex with?

[The State of Islam]

Pagan is British slang for a fake

That's nice. We're not using that definition in this context, however, so this is all irrelevant. If you wish to have a productive discussion, that's great! But if you're only interested in quoting rappers, then you're free to leave.

is funny tho

[Conscentia]

My stubby legs are worthless in running anyway.

Pagan is British slang for a fake

Since when?

[Transoxthraxia]

That's nice. We're not using that definition in this context, however, so this is all irrelevant. If you wish to have a productive discussion, that's great! But if you're only interested in quoting rappers, then you're free to leave.

is funny tho

Mm, not to me.

[Meryuma]

"Forget the Pagans, so the real Mandem can shine"
http://youtu.be/I9pF2ZzsksA

Man don't run with the pagans

My stubby legs are worthless in running anyway.

Babylegs, you're a good detective.

[Nature-Spirits]

That's nice. We're not using that definition in this context, however, so this is all irrelevant. If you wish to have a productive discussion, that's great! But if you're only interested in quoting rappers, then you're free to leave.

is funny tho

Funny is subjective.

For instance, some people find jokes about Islam funny. I imagine you'd not appreciate them, however.