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Should we ban the impovershed from having children?

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Certain groups, but not all of the very poor
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:30 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:


Germany's a bit to the right of what I'd consider ideal, but they've managed a good balance of industry, regulation, welfare programs, unions, and protections for workers. We could learn something from them.


They are pretty conservative in some ways too(christian democracy esque) so that may not be appealing to some.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:33 pm

Immoren wrote:
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For every fat cat in an ivory tower there has to be a guy who cleans his toilet.


Self-cleaning toilets. *nods*


It's a figure of speech, something someone... like you clearly does not understand.
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Postby Obexer » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:45 pm

Padanyia wrote:I'm asking if we should require licenses to have children,

No. We shouldn't. This is a massive oversight and invasion into people's personal lives.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:47 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Germany's a bit to the right of what I'd consider ideal, but they've managed a good balance of industry, regulation, welfare programs, unions, and protections for workers. We could learn something from them.


They are pretty conservative in some ways too(christian democracy esque) so that may not be appealing to some.


I don't see them as being much more conservative than America.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:48 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Self-cleaning toilets. *nods*


It's a figure of speech, something someone... like you clearly does not understand.


It's sarcasm, something someone...like you clearly does not understand.

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Postby Equestria and Griffon » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:50 pm

Oh,look at the poll..

Whoever voted no is fucked.

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Postby Belivonia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:50 pm

If we dont do something about the 10-children families in Africa, Africa will explode, and we can see that happening already in the Mediterranean,
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Postby Obexer » Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:53 pm

I'm kind of glad this thread was made. It reminds me summer on NS isn't over just yet.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:06 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:
They are pretty conservative in some ways too(christian democracy esque) so that may not be appealing to some.


I don't see them as being much more conservative than America.


Depends on the circumstances, like say violence in video games. Not a hard set rule.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:17 pm

Belivonia wrote:If we dont do something about the 10-children families in Africa, Africa will explode, and we can see that happening already in the Mediterranean,


The birth rate of most African countries has been declining rapidly since the 90s.
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Postby Gigaverse » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:19 pm

Sounds like quite the human rights violation.
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Postby Gigaverse » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:20 pm

Obexer wrote:I'm kind of glad this thread was made. It reminds me summer on NS isn't over just yet.

What are you saying?

It's always Summer on NS. Autumn never comes, let alone Winter.
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Postby White Sox » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:21 pm

Equestria and Griffon wrote:Oh,look at the poll..

Whoever voted no is fucked.

Why? Because we wish not to have a basic human right to be violated?
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:21 pm

Belivonia wrote:If we dont do something about the 10-children families in Africa, Africa will explode, and we can see that happening already in the Mediterranean,


Fertility rate is going down in Africa. That and Africa can actually produce enough food to feed itself the big issue has to do with near continuous civil conflicts, poor education, and endemic corruption in what are essentially artificially made countries which while fine for colonies aren't exactly good for building a strong consistent country. It's difficult to grow crops while being shot at and having your very home constantly turned into a gun battle pitting an ineffectual government with power hungry rebels.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:40 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I don't see them as being much more conservative than America.


Depends on the circumstances, like say violence in video games. Not a hard set rule.


That's intrusive, but I wouldn't call it conservative.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:47 pm

Equestria and Griffon wrote:Oh,look at the poll..

Whoever voted no is fucked.

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Postby Empire of Donner land » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:51 pm

Not a smart idea. You will ALWAYS need an unskilled work force to do something. Atleast until we get super intelligent robots I suppose.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:17 pm

I'm loving the way the first positive is the old "it means we don't need to pay as much welfare" shtick.

Believe it or not the idea of people squirting out as many kids as possible to claim as many welfare cheques as possible is actually really rare.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:23 pm

Padanyia wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:So what happens when all the untermenschen lower class people stop having kids and you get a catastrophically declining blue collar workforce? You going to start forcing middle and upper class people to put their name in a lottery and pull a certain number of them out of their cushy lives to work minimum wage jobs at gunpoint? That's gonna be super popular.


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Automation will soon solve that problem.

Instead of exterminating them, why don't we help the working class get better jobs then?
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:It would appear you don't understand that poverty is systemic and that this would just necessitate the creation of a new impoverished group.

^ This, so much.
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Postby New Werpland » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Padanyia wrote:
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Automation will soon solve that problem.

Instead of exterminating them, why don't we help the working class get better jobs then?

Why don't we just eliminate the poor? In the future people will be happier.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:29 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Instead of exterminating them, why don't we help the working class get better jobs then?

Why don't we just eliminate the poor? In the future people will be happier.


What do you mean by "eliminate"?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:51 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Instead of exterminating them, why don't we help the working class get better jobs then?

Why don't we just eliminate the poor? In the future people will be happier.

We can eliminate poverty through a mutualistic or communist society.
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Postby Shiraan » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:56 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Why don't we just eliminate the poor? In the future people will be happier.

We can eliminate poverty through a mutualistic or communist society.

because communism works so well
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Postby USS Monitor » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:02 pm

Belivonia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I think people who propose stuff like this should have their kids taken away from them, as they are clearly unfit to be parents, you know, for the good of society


Try Africa, you now have 10 children to take, and that father, he will make 10 more.


Nothing racist going on here! Nooooooope! :roll:

Who gives a crap if some dude in Africa has a lot of kids?
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