Should we ban the impovershed from having children?

[USS Monitor]

19th century dinosaurs type
Leftist academia type
Nobody but Anarchists know about type

Hey now don't insult the paleontologists of the 19th century by muddling their political, and ideological affiliations.

^This.

There were plenty of decent and intelligent people in the 19th century, and it shouldn't be used as an insult. Maybe if the 20th and 21st century would accept some responsibility for their own people, you'd have an easier time making progress.

[New Werpland]

Germany.

They have a more comprehensive welfare system than the United States (even with recent cutbacks) and universal healthcare, meaning that people are able to move up more easily, as they're more likely to have access to food and shelter even in times of economic crisis, and less likely to go bankrupt from medical costs. Employers are also legally required to give at least six weeks of sick leave at full pay. The nation is capitalistic, which is fine, but it also has measures in place to ensure that workers are not ground underfoot by the system.

They have the highest ihdi ranking for a country with a population over 50 million.

[New Werpland]

Hey now don't insult the paleontologists of the 19th century by muddling their political, and ideological affiliations.

^This.

There were plenty of decent and intelligent people in the 19th century, and it shouldn't be used as an insult. Maybe if the 20th and 21st century would accept some responsibility for their own people, you'd have an easier time making progress.

You misunderstand. Bakunin, Proudhoun, & etc, are dated, unlike certain more influential 19th century thinkers and figures.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

They have a more comprehensive welfare system than the United States (even with recent cutbacks) and universal healthcare, meaning that people are able to move up more easily, as they're more likely to have access to food and shelter even in times of economic crisis, and less likely to go bankrupt from medical costs. Employers are also legally required to give at least six weeks of sick leave at full pay. The nation is capitalistic, which is fine, but it also has measures in place to ensure that workers are not ground underfoot by the system.

They have the highest ihdi ranking for a country with a population over 50 million.

Germany's a bit to the right of what I'd consider ideal, but they've managed a good balance of industry, regulation, welfare programs, unions, and protections for workers. We could learn something from them.

[Valkalan]

Anarchy is merely chaos. It is whimsical to believe that society will simply behave itself in the absence of law.

The anarchy of anarchism is not chaos. Anarchism does not reject rule of law. In fact, law is the only "ruler" in anarchism.

I presume that you mean to reform society prior to the introduction of anarchy, but this would necessitate a vast state presence.

Direct action, collectivization, socialization, etc, would be useful prior to implementation of anarchy, yes. And no, it would not.

The term libertarian socialism is simply an oxymoron.

...how?

There will always be those who would disobey the law. In addition collectivization and socialization will require an immense state presence to enforce compliance. This is diametrically opposed to idea of a limited government that is inherent in libertarianism. Therefore I have concluded that libertarianism and socialism are incompatible, and the term libertarian socialism is an oxymoron.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Anarchism Discussion Thread, for all interested.

[USS Monitor]

^This.

There were plenty of decent and intelligent people in the 19th century, and it shouldn't be used as an insult. Maybe if the 20th and 21st century would accept some responsibility for their own people, you'd have an easier time making progress.

You misunderstand. Bakunin, Proudhoun, & etc, are dated, unlike certain more influential 19th century thinkers and figures.

It's still using 19th century as an insult. I see now that I went off on a bit of an irrelevant tangent by complaining about when it is applied to people who aren't actually from the 19th century, but my point is that it shouldn't be used as an insult at all. Being from the 19th century does not make anyone's ideas less intelligent or less valuable. If their ideas don't work, then explain what is wrong with them. Don't just use "19th century" as an insult to dismiss them.

[Intaglio]

Such a thing would cause an uproar in most countries. People aren't going to take kindly to the idea of the government limiting their reproductive rights.

[Kazarogkai]

Perhaps banning rich people from having children would more effectively reduce childhood poverty.

Exactly. No spoiled people to inherit they never earned. Which is amazing since it's the same mentality used by certain people on a certain political spectrum towards those on, say, government assistance. "You didn't earn that money, why should you get it?!?!??!?!".

So they should be on board with it.

A 100% inheritance tax would be just as effective and wouldn't be violating anyone's bodily sovereignty.

[Kazarogkai]

If we're going to be emotionless about this matter, still no. We need people to do the jobs that the people with money won't do. You can't have the architect without the builders, metaphorically.

For every fat cat in an ivory tower there has to be a guy who cleans his toilet.

[Shiraan]

If we're going to be emotionless about this matter, still no. We need people to do the jobs that the people with money won't do. You can't have the architect without the builders, metaphorically.

manual labor will be handled entirely be robots in the next few decades anyway. maybe sooner

[Ethel mermania]

I think people who propose stuff like this should have their kids taken away from them, as they are clearly unfit to be parents, you know, for the good of society

[Immoren]

If we're going to be emotionless about this matter, still no. We need people to do the jobs that the people with money won't do. You can't have the architect without the builders, metaphorically.

For every fat cat in an ivory tower there has to be a guy who cleans his toilet.

Self-cleaning toilets. *nods*

[Shiraan]

I think people who propose stuff like this should have their kids taken away from them, as they are clearly unfit to be parents, you know, for the good of society

if they legitimately are unfit parents then yeah

[Belivonia]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

[Immoren]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

We'll just steal African babies and raise them as changelings. *nods*

[Kazarogkai]

which, again, means nothing if you can't AFFORD an education.

Ok wait wait - I have this great idea.

Let's make elementary and secondary education free, and then heavily subsidize post-secondary education so that cost is not a concern for children.

Better yet we can just simply make tertiary education free of charge(atleast in public schools) and this wouldn't even be a problem.

[Pandeeria]

Ban? Of course no.

[Belivonia]

I think people who propose stuff like this should have their kids taken away from them, as they are clearly unfit to be parents, you know, for the good of society

Try Africa, you now have 10 children to take, and that father, he will make 10 more.

[Pandeeria]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

Is that suppose to be an attempt to try and beef up the European culture numerically speaking?

[Kazarogkai]

You're being sarcastic, right?

What are the alternatives to capitalism that you mean to imply are better at advancing the poor? I imagine some variety of socialism. Classic socialist states existed in a state of economic stagnation with equality through shared wretchedness. Of perhaps you refer to the welfare states of today can only exist through on the backs of capitalist production.

I have always been an advocate of a distributive economy where the basic family unit is made to be as self sufficient as possible and where cooperation rather than conflict become the way of doing things, 3 acres and a cow and all that. The focus should be on long term contentment rather than short term prosperity.

"Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for life."

Rather than being focused on handouts we should focus on improving those who are less fortunate. An education is the greatest gift one can give to another and should be the focus of any proper welfare system followed closely by healthcare(protection from the ravages of injury and death), Conservationist measures(to preserve scarce resources), and law enforcement(essential in maintaining a tranquil environment).

[Belivonia]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

Is that suppose to be an attempt to try and beef up the European culture numerically speaking?

If it wasn't for Africa, the world's population wouldn't be growing as it is now. It's a serious problem, lack of contraception and actual thought is causing Africa to become overcrowded, and then that, somehow, becomes a problem for Europe, America and Australia.

[Immoren]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

Is that suppose to be an attempt to try and beef up the European culture numerically speaking?

Black copters over the africa.

[Gauthier]

In Africa, yes, in Europe, no.

Europe already has a chronic lack of European babies.

We'll just steal African babies and raise them as changelings. *nods*

Noooooo, that's how they're planning to spread Sharia Law in Europe!

[Immoren]

We'll just steal African babies and raise them as changelings. *nods*

Noooooo, that's how they're planning to spread Sharia Law in Europe!

As changelings, they've no notions of such concepts as Sharia Law.