Should we ban the impovershed from having children?

[New Werpland]

"When compared to alternatives" and the United States is not the gold standard of capitalism.

Then who is?

Germany.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except that the United States has remarkably low social mobility.

"When compared to alternatives" and the United States is not the gold standard of capitalism.

Inasmuch as there is a social ladder to climb in capitalism, you're right.
That is however the lowest possible standard by which you are correct.

There are simply vaccinations for many childhood diseases. They are widely used in the west. They are less widely used in the developing world, despite the low cost and mass-production. Many children die from these simple, preventable diseases in the developing world.
This line of reasoning is worryingly analogous to capitalism's social mobility.

[Geilinor]

"When compared to alternatives" and the United States is not the gold standard of capitalism.

Then who is?

There are lots of capitalist countries with higher social mobility than the United States.

[The Salvatagard Republic]

I'm asking if we should require licenses to have children, with those who can't afford children without government assistance not allowed to. If you had children illegally, you would either have some kind of penalty if you could manage or your child would be given to a relative or the state. I can see many advantages to doing this.

- Much fewer welfare payments

- Much less crime

- Much better educational outcomes/less behavioral disturbances in school

- Better for the economy/higher gdp per capita due to less welfare and other economic advantages

- More globally competitive

- Likely a genetic eugenic effect; with a smarter population and all that entails

I don't refer to forced sterilization, or to deliberately targeting any certain ethnic group. I think we should have a parental licensing program like you need to drive a car, and you would have to pass a test and meet a certain income threshold to prove you can take care of a child without government and ideally even charitable assistance. I think that the first nation to implement a program like this or some other eugenic program will quickly become the best/most competitive in the world. For those who would tell me there's a chance I'll be not allowed to have children/sterilized, I can honestly tell you I would be willing to be sterilized to further the cause of eugenics if I could eventually adopt children.

ok.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You're being sarcastic, right?

What are the alternatives to capitalism that you mean to imply are better at advancing the poor? I imagine some variety of socialism. Classic socialist states existed in a state of economic stagnation with equality through shared wretchedness. Of perhaps you refer to the welfare states of today can only exist through on the backs of capitalist production.

Fuck the economy, I care about people.

Libertarian socialism is the answer. Anarchy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Then who is?

There are lots of capitalist countries with higher social mobility than the United States.

Social Democracy is a band-aid, not a cure, to the detrimental aspects of capitalism.

[Shiraan]

Anarchy.

you've instantly lost all credibility

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Anarchy.

you've instantly lost all credibility

Not really...I mean they have repeatedly broadcasted their anarchist ideology for years.

So this isn't surprising someone would want to fulfill it.

[Immoren]

Anarchy.

you've instantly lost all credibility

That's silly

[Shiraan]

you've instantly lost all credibility

Not really...I mean they have repeatedly broadcasted their anarchist ideology for years.

So this isn't surprising someone would want to fulfill it.

anarchy would never work and you're a fool for thinking it would.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Anarchy.

you've instantly lost all credibility

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

[New Werpland]

There are lots of capitalist countries with higher social mobility than the United States.

Social Democracy is a band-aid, not a cure, to the detrimental aspects of capitalism.

All alternatives are a fantasy at this point in time.

[Shiraan]

you've instantly lost all credibility

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

use a real argument or get out

[New Werpland]

you've instantly lost all credibility

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

Big Jim P has more posts than you.

I think I know his opinion.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

you've instantly lost all credibility

Not really...I mean they have repeatedly broadcasted their anarchist ideology for years.

So this isn't surprising someone would want to fulfill it.

Thanks for at least not acting like anarchism is some childish phase.

The people who do have apparently never heard of Bakunin, Proudhon, Tucker, or even Chomsky or Carson.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

Big Jim P has more posts than you.

...correct?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

use a real argument or get out

You took one word from my statement and told me I'm no longer credible. How is that a valid argument?

[Immoren]

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

use a real argument or get out

As good argument as yours.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Social Democracy is a band-aid, not a cure, to the detrimental aspects of capitalism.

All alternatives are a fantasy at this point in time.

Which is why we need to work toward them.

[New Werpland]

All alternatives are a fantasy at this point in time.

Which is why we need to work toward them.

Liberal Democracy will be the best system possible until perhaps robots and post scarcity becomes a thing.

[Geilinor]

All alternatives are a fantasy at this point in time.

Which is why we need to work toward them.

I have no interest in working toward a fantasy.

[Immoren]

Which is why we need to work toward them.

I have no interest in working toward a fantasy.

I bet they said same about heavier than air flight.

[Imperializt Russia]

Says the guy with twenty-five posts to one with more than fifteen thousand.

use a real argument or get out

Okay then.
Explain why "anarchy" has cause him to "lose all credibility".

[Shiraan]

use a real argument or get out

You took one word from my statement and told me I'm no longer credible. How is that a valid argument?

because anarchism is a social stance for a) whiny teenagers or b) conspiracy theorists that live in the woods with $100k worth of automatic weapons

[Imperializt Russia]

I have no interest in working toward a fantasy.

I bet they said same about heavier than air flight.

Steel ships?