Should we ban the impovershed from having children?

[Threlizdun]

*gasp* SOCIALIST COUNTRIES?! WHERE?!

Paradise-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba

I was unaware that the means of production were owned by the workers in these societies. I was also unaware that the fact that rentier states tend to be economic failures was so shocking to people.

[Liriena]

And I think I will copy the link to that image, might be good for when I am arguing against socialism.

Not really. At least not for socialism in general. The Chavismo is a very peculiar regime.

[Liriena]

And we are not arguing socialism, we are arguing a safety net for capitalism. And I think I will copy the link to that image, might be good for when I am arguing against socialism.

Best not. Chilean anti-communism is hardly an example worth imitating.

I don't know. Lots of people seem to have this bizarre, exclusive love affair with Pinochet.

[Atomic Utopia]

And I think I will copy the link to that image, might be good for when I am arguing against socialism.

Not really. At least not for socialism in general. The Chavismo is a very peculiar regime.

Yeah, but one part of arguing is called pathos, another is logos, and yet another is ethos. That is some good pathos, and I can back up the other two by talking about the rest of the failed states that have run socialism. Socialism, the total state control of property, is inefficient and generally leads to failure. Now social democracy is much closer to what I view as ideal than socialism and actually, you know, works.

[Liriena]

Socialism, the total state control of property, is inefficient and generally leads to failure.

That sounds like Marxism-Leninism to me, not necessarily "socialism". Granted, I abide by the more traditional definition of a socialist society as that in which the workers have control over the means of production, rather than the bourgeois, or the state under the control of the bourgeois.

[Sun Wukong]

Not really. At least not for socialism in general. The Chavismo is a very peculiar regime.

Yeah, but one part of arguing is called pathos, another is logos, and yet another is ethos. That is some good pathos, and I can back up the other two by talking about the rest of the failed states that have run socialism. Socialism, the total state control of property, is inefficient and generally leads to failure. Now social democracy is much closer to what I view as ideal than socialism and actually, you know, works.

I have to say, if there's one thing I wish high school debate classes would stop doing, it's encouraging this sort of checklist style argumentation formula.

[Luxdonia]

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

[Liriena]

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

You're cute. I'll give you that.

[Sun Wukong]

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

A sensible person who believes a "free market" involves regulating wombs.

[Luxdonia]

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

You're cute. I'll give you that.

As per your signature, you are a green liberal. Why am I not surprised?

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

A sensible person who believes a "free market" involves regulating wombs.

A free market requires some government regulation. This is obvious.

[Neu California]

I am one of the few sensible people who actually agree with the OP's statement. Surely this is an economically sensible idea which would drastically improve the standard of living for many people in many nations but instead the usual foolish, Far-Left NSG crowd instead want to have us all living in a communistic society.

Face the facts, capitalism is the way of the past, the present and the future.

If you're so sure that this is the case, perhaps you can respond to all the criticisms in the thread, instead of reveling in your unproven rightness.

[Sun Wukong]

A sensible person who believes a "free market" involves regulating wombs.

A free market requires some government regulation. This is obvious.

And obviously vaginas need to be part of that. Because that's not clearly authoritarianism at all. It's totally consistent with a market economy.

[The Conez Imperium]

If we breed only rich people, then those babies will be richer. The government won't need to spend on childcare. Now to breed only the smart people for world domination...

[Aethrys]

Eh, doesn't seem like too much of an issue. I could probably half-heartedly support such a thing on the grounds that Children are nasty. So long as people aren't similarly prevented from owning dogs, which are better than children in almost every regard. Unless they're particularly horrible people that should never be permitted to own one, in which case they should of course be up against a wall.

[Immoren]

Clearly we should ban everyone having children, and start making kids in factories.
Like in the Brave New World.

[Aethrys]

Clearly we should ban everyone having children, and start making kids in factories.
Like in the Brave New World.

That did seem like a particularly efficient system, though I'd suggest replacing both the workers in charge of producing children in said factories, and most menial jobs, with robots. Take out the whole forced mental impairment to create a slave labor force thing, and BNW isn't such a bad future at all.

[Immoren]

Clearly we should ban everyone having children, and start making kids in factories.
Like in the Brave New World.

That did seem like a particularly efficient system, though I'd suggest replacing both the workers in charge of producing children in said factories, and most menial jobs, with robots. Take out the whole forced mental impairment to create a slave labor force thing, and BNW isn't such a bad future at all.

Aside from destruction of history, culture, familial relations, etc.

[Aethrys]

That did seem like a particularly efficient system, though I'd suggest replacing both the workers in charge of producing children in said factories, and most menial jobs, with robots. Take out the whole forced mental impairment to create a slave labor force thing, and BNW isn't such a bad future at all.

Aside from destruction of history, culture, familial relations, etc.

I mean, sure, it's boring, but it also seems like the most likely to succeed. To get a functioning global society without wasteful conflict, you either 1. Go for the clean slate approach like in BNW, 2. Somehow create a global megaculture that will absorb and outshine all regional ones into quaint irrelevance (This is going to be exceptionally difficult, however it would be achieved will almost certainly involve extreme measures.) or 3. Find a threat credible enough to unite the entire species in combating it.

Or, I dunno, something else.

[Harkback Union]

Absolutely!

Lets pour gasoline on the tinderbox of social upheaval to trigger a new wave of egalatarian revolutions!

Simply brilliant!

[Meryuma]

Absolutely fucking not. There is no place for ideas like this in reasonable or humane discourse, end of discussion.

[Avalon]

No lol

Also, what if you're rich and get a license and then you go bankrupt? would they take your kids away from you?

Money doesn't make you a part of a superior breed anyway, or they would've raised Paris Hilton to be of any use.

[Allanea]

You don't own other people's bodies.

No, not even if they're very poor.

[The Blaatschapen]

A free market requires some government regulation. This is obvious.

Behind the invisible hand of the market is often the iron fist of the state.

Anyway, rather than banning the impoverished from having children, we could also bring the impoverished out of poverty. It will also reduce crime rates. And it has the benefit of you know, less tidious enforcement.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Hans Rosling - How to end poverty in 15 years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjZjPbHrFE

I would recommend everyone watches this video.

[The Conez Imperium]

Aside from destruction of history, culture, familial relations, etc.

I mean, sure, it's boring, but it also seems like the most likely to succeed. To get a functioning global society without wasteful conflict, you either 1. Go for the clean slate approach like in BNW, 2. Somehow create a global megaculture that will absorb and outshine all regional ones into quaint irrelevance (This is going to be exceptionally difficult, however it would be achieved will almost certainly involve extreme measures.) or 3. Find a threat credible enough to unite the entire species in combating it.

Or, I dunno, something else.

Brave New World is a utopia in every sense. Orgies on demand, endless amount of Soma pills...yus I will be a Alpha male.