10 dead in Oregon College Shooting

[Gun Manufacturers]

I don't think buyback match what they are normally priced.

Guns don't have depreciation now?

Guns don't depreciate as much as something like a car.

[Gim]

Guns don't have depreciation now?

Guns don't depreciate as much as something like a car.

Guns have longer life spans than cars have more mileage?

[BK117B2]

Guns don't depreciate as much as something like a car.

Guns have longer life spans than cars have more mileage?

Firearms do have longer useful lifespans than cars....there are still many firearms in great condition which are older than ANY cars. A car with twenty years regular use sells for around 1/10 of the new price. A firearm with twenty years regular use sells for around 9/10 of the price when new.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What were they going to do on the "mental health" front?
Declare war on autism? That would be even more stupid than AWBs.

How about improving mental health services? Or better training for educators to spot potential mental health problems with students?

[Confederate Ramenia]

known to be in possession of anti-tank weapons.

Holy shit. What kind of anti-tank weapons?

[Sevvania]

Waiting periods are an effective way to reduce suicide rates among the elderly, and studies in Australia .... have shown that reducing the number of guns in circulation reduces overall suicide rates.

"Some researchers have found a significant change in the rate of firearm suicides after the legislative changes. For example, Ozanne-Smith et al. (2004) in the journal Injury Prevention found a reduction in firearm suicides in Victoria, however this study did not consider non-firearm suicide rates. Others have argued that alternative methods of suicide have been substituted. De Leo, Dwyer, Firman & Neulinger, studied suicide methods in men from 1979 to 1998 and found a rise in hanging suicides that started slightly before the fall in gun suicides. As hanging suicides rose at about the same rate as gun suicides fell, it is possible that there was some substitution of suicide methods. It has been noted that drawing strong conclusions about possible impacts of gun laws on suicides is challenging, because a number of suicide prevention programs were implemented from the mid-1990s onwards, and non-firearm suicides also began falling."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_ ... f_the_laws

[Uxupox]

known to be in possession of anti-tank weapons.

Holy shit. What kind of anti-tank weapons?

RPG's probably. Getting a hand on a SMAW is a short ticket to the FBI or CIA watchlist.

[Sevvania]

Holy shit. What kind of anti-tank weapons?

RPG's probably. Getting a hand on a SMAW is a short ticket to the FBI or CIA watchlist.

I'm not sure what incident WRA may be referring to, but I do know that there are things that could be considered anti-tank weapons that are legal for general civilian ownership while the actual anti-tank munitions for them are not. Some examples could be things like the rifle grenade adapter on Yugoslavian SKSes, or M79 grenade launchers/RPG-7s that have been fitted with subcaliber adapters for firing .22 or 12 gauge rounds.

[Gun Manufacturers]

That there is not enough gun control.

Well there isn't enough gun control, because the gun control already in place can be bypassed so easily that it might as well not be there.

In many states in the US, you can buy a gun from another person without passing any kind of background check.

This means that no matter how many felonies you have on your record, no matter what state you live in, you can drive to a state where you can buy a gun privately from someone else no questions asked, and the seller has no obligation to check the buyer's background.

Chicago had some of the strictest gun laws in the US for many years, and they could all be bypassed with a 15 minute drive to Indiana.

The 1968 GCA is so badly written it might as well not exist:

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person:

"Oh I'm sorry officer I had no idea he was a serial killer, he looked fine to me."
"OK you're free to go"

If you don't check if the person buying your gun is a prohibited person or not, you are being negligent and you should be held responsible if the buyer turns out to be a felon and commits a crime with the gun you sold to him.

If your gun gets stolen from you and you don't report it/didn't store it safely, you should be held responsible and punished if the gun turns up in a crime.

It is illegal to buy a firearm across state lines in a private transaction (you CAN buy a long gun at an FFL in another state, assuming the firearm is legal to own in both states, and you are legally allowed to own one). IF you want to purchase someone's firearm in another state, it has to be transferred to an FFL in your home state before you can take possession.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Every time one of these shootings happens everyone (by which I mean bleeding hearts and the media to which they subscribe) starts clamoring for increased gun control. The small (and growing) clique of people shouting for more control drown out voices from the other side of the fence, or make them look insane and paranoid (never mind those who don't bother to speak up in the first place).

We once impeached a president for illegally wiretapping a hotel room. Now? It's become normal to allow the government to spy on every level of our lives in the name of "national security". Our Bill of Rights might not even exist.

Sorry for calling you a Gun Nut. That was out of line. But nobody is proposing to take away your goddamned guns. Considering that all the anti-gun control arguments are strawman arguments, slippery slope arguments, just plain hysterical right-wing paranoia...you're right, you do look insane and paranoid. And don't give me any "2nd Amendment says". Yours is an extreme interpretation of the amendment with little backing in legal precedent. And if I agreed it was correct - which I do not - then I'd have to say it's time to amend, if not repeal, the 2nd Amendment, which was written for a very different time, with very different conditions.

You're welcome to try to amend/repeal the 2nd Amendment, but I doubt you'd find the support. If Congress can't pass universal background checks (something I COULD support, if non FFLs were given free access to NICS), then you won't have the necessary 2/3 support of Congress to pass the proposed amendment on to the states. Also, 44 states have the right to bear arms in their state constitutions, and you need 38 states to ratify any such amendment.

[Uxupox]

RPG's probably. Getting a hand on a SMAW is a short ticket to the FBI or CIA watchlist.

I'm not sure what incident WRA may be referring to, but I do know that there are things that could be considered anti-tank weapons that are legal for general civilian ownership while the actual anti-tank munitions for them are not. Some examples could be things like the rifle grenade adapter on Yugoslavian SKSes, or M79 grenade launchers/RPG-7s that have been fitted with subcaliber adapters for firing .22 or 12 gauge rounds.

Really? That's news to me. Might be fun to fire one of those in the firing range if I can get it though.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Guns don't depreciate as much as something like a car.

Guns have longer life spans than cars have more mileage?

My brother in law collects firearms has some pretty old ones that he still shoots. IIRC, his current hunting rifle is a Montgomery Ward bolt action chambered in the .30-06 caliber. M-1 Garand rifles from WWII and Korea are still able to be shot today. Functional Maxim/Vickers machine guns are still around.

Properly maintained, a firearm can have a very long life span.

[Gun Manufacturers]

RPG's probably. Getting a hand on a SMAW is a short ticket to the FBI or CIA watchlist.

I'm not sure what incident WRA may be referring to, but I do know that there are things that could be considered anti-tank weapons that are legal for general civilian ownership while the actual anti-tank munitions for them are not. Some examples could be things like the rifle grenade adapter on Yugoslavian SKSes, or M79 grenade launchers/RPG-7s that have been fitted with subcaliber adapters for firing .22 or 12 gauge rounds.

Actually, it is possible to get 40mm grenades (that are classified as destructive devices) with an ATF tax stamp. It's just that EACH round (as well as the launcher) would need its own $200 ATF tax stamp.

[Sevvania]

I'm not sure what incident WRA may be referring to, but I do know that there are things that could be considered anti-tank weapons that are legal for general civilian ownership while the actual anti-tank munitions for them are not. Some examples could be things like the rifle grenade adapter on Yugoslavian SKSes, or M79 grenade launchers/RPG-7s that have been fitted with subcaliber adapters for firing .22 or 12 gauge rounds.

Actually, it is possible to get 40mm grenades (that are classified as destructive devices) with an ATF tax stamp. It's just that EACH round (as well as the launcher) would need its own $200 ATF tax stamp.

Right, but I was under the impression that you needed special licensing or paperwork to own a destructive device, which is why I made the distinction of "general" civilian ownership.

[Gim]

Guns have longer life spans than cars have more mileage?

My brother in law collects firearms has some pretty old ones that he still shoots. IIRC, his current hunting rifle is a Montgomery Ward bolt action chambered in the .30-06 caliber. M-1 Garand rifles from WWII and Korea are still able to be shot today. Functional Maxim/Vickers machine guns are still around.

Properly maintained, a firearm can have a very long life span.

Ah, that makes sense, because North Korea continues to use its archaic weapons without technical problems.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Actually, it is possible to get 40mm grenades (that are classified as destructive devices) with an ATF tax stamp. It's just that EACH round (as well as the launcher) would need its own $200 ATF tax stamp.

Right, but I was under the impression that you needed special licensing or paperwork to own a destructive device, which is why I made the distinction of "general" civilian ownership.

There is more paperwork to acquire an ATF tax stamp for an NFA item, than there is for a normal firearm purchase. It also takes significantly longer, anywhere from a few months up to and over a year to get the paperwork and tax stamp back.

[Tule]

Well there isn't enough gun control, because the gun control already in place can be bypassed so easily that it might as well not be there.

In many states in the US, you can buy a gun from another person without passing any kind of background check.

This means that no matter how many felonies you have on your record, no matter what state you live in, you can drive to a state where you can buy a gun privately from someone else no questions asked, and the seller has no obligation to check the buyer's background.

Chicago had some of the strictest gun laws in the US for many years, and they could all be bypassed with a 15 minute drive to Indiana.

The 1968 GCA is so badly written it might as well not exist:



"Oh I'm sorry officer I had no idea he was a serial killer, he looked fine to me."
"OK you're free to go"

If you don't check if the person buying your gun is a prohibited person or not, you are being negligent and you should be held responsible if the buyer turns out to be a felon and commits a crime with the gun you sold to him.

If your gun gets stolen from you and you don't report it/didn't store it safely, you should be held responsible and punished if the gun turns up in a crime.

It is illegal to buy a firearm across state lines in a private transaction (you CAN buy a long gun at an FFL in another state, assuming the firearm is legal to own in both states, and you are legally allowed to own one). IF you want to purchase someone's firearm in another state, it has to be transferred to an FFL in your home state before you can take possession.

Does the GCA actually say anywhere that the seller has to check if the buyer is from another state?

[Confederation of Common Sense]

Every time there's a mass shooting on the news every gunlover jumps on it declaring it the latest proof that gun free zones are absolute failures that need to be abolished.

The fact I think gun-free zones need to be abolished doesn't mean I expect armed citizens to succeed 100% of the time.

When has a gun-free zone - not a whole system with protection and armed guards that wand everyone with metal detectors, but the kind that's just a set of signs saying NO GUNS ALLOWED HERE - ever actually prevented a shooting? Is there any incident where, say, a school principal found guns in a student's car and that student was planning a shooting and was thus prevented?

What's worse? A gun-free zone or a Police State?

[Confederation of Common Sense]

You can't get guns into Honolulu without a major hassle.

Guess which state has the lowest rate of gun deaths?

Hawaii, New Hampshire and South Dakota are tied at .04 according to wiki (disregarding Florida at '-' and Alabama at a rate of '0.0' but with limited data).
So...I mean, Hawaii is one of them with its strict controls. South Dakota and New Hampshire have the same rate without those though, so the point is rather lost.

Of course, this is using firearm murder rates as opposed to fucking retarded 'gun death rates'. Because suicide isn't a gun-control-law problem.

New Hampshire and South Dakota have very low population densities, so your claim is vacuous.

[Gim]

Hawaii, New Hampshire and South Dakota are tied at .04 according to wiki (disregarding Florida at '-' and Alabama at a rate of '0.0' but with limited data).
So...I mean, Hawaii is one of them with its strict controls. South Dakota and New Hampshire have the same rate without those though, so the point is rather lost.

Of course, this is using firearm murder rates as opposed to fucking retarded 'gun death rates'. Because suicide isn't a gun-control-law problem.

New Hampshire and South Dakota have very low population densities, so your claim is vacuous.

Same with Wyoming and Montana.

[The Black Forrest]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mother ... nntp&pfr=1

[Vitaphone Racing]

You ever been on the misc? Because that'll really provide some clues about who really tells men that they're only worth as much as women find them attractive. Women don't create beta males, self-proclaimed alpha males do.

It's reinforced by both genders. Why do you seem intent on erasing womens role in it?

Lmao

No it isn't reinforced by both genders and women have a virtually non existent part in it.

If a woman doesn't find a male attractive and doesn't want to have sex with them, are they reinforcing this culture? Should women be made to have pity sex with males they don't like? Can women truly be blamed for not wanting to have sex with men who they don't find attractive?

Beta males is a term created by other males who think of themselves as alpha. It is men putting down other men to feel better about themselves. The only thing it has to do with women is that self-proclaimed alpha males will typically view women as a more intelligent breed of cattle, where if they complete a list of items on an imaginary checklist they will be granted pussy.

[Cesurion]

Here's a good idea.

I've been gone for three pages worth of posts and we're back to this already? Allow me to quote my earlier post for your benefit:

Here is a scholarly article entitled "Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Politics of American Firearms" that was published earlier this year about the scapegoating of the mentally ill in the aftermath of mass shootings. For further reading, I recommend this article, this article, and this article, which all show findings similar to the first article.

If you'd like any further information, I would be happy to provide.

The mentally ill are far more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. That said, I'm thrilled that you're obviously so concerned about those suffering from mental illness. You can help by learning more and getting involved in mental health advocacy initiatives in your area! I'm certain you're as generous with your money as you are with your opinions, so you can send in your donation to the National Alliance on Mental Illness at this address.

Please let me know if there's any way I can help you further!

[Gauthier]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mother-of-oregon-gunman-wrote-of-keeping-firearms/ar-AAf84rl?ocid=spartanntp&pfr=1

That's how many mass shooters who were within easy reach of a legally purchased arsenal now?

Something else from the article which is a set-up for some really dark political jokes:

One piece of advice Ms. Harper dispensed online for a parent with an autistic infant was to start reading to the child as soon as possible and to use expressive gestures. An online posting from six years ago included the unlikely revelation that she used to read to her son a book by Donald J. Trump, the real estate mogul now running for president, who recently suggested that childhood vaccines cause autism — a claim Ms. Harper dismisses in her postings.

“Fact: Before my son was even born, I was reading out loud to him from Donald Trump’s ‘The Art of the Deal,’” she wrote. “And as for the ‘gesture effect,’ I was practically a mime. And now my son invests in the stock market along with me, turns a profit and is working on a degree in finance. His language and reading skills are phenomenal. I tell you this because it’s not too late for you to start helping your daughter.”

[Cesurion]

It's reinforced by both genders. Why do you seem intent on erasing womens role in it?

Lmao

No it isn't reinforced by both genders and women have a virtually non existent part in it.

If a woman doesn't find a male attractive and doesn't want to have sex with them, are they reinforcing this culture? Should women be made to have pity sex with males they don't like? Can women truly be blamed for not wanting to have sex with men who they don't find attractive?

Beta males is a term created by other males who think of themselves as alpha. It is men putting down other men to feel better about themselves. The only thing it has to do with women is that self-proclaimed alpha males will typically view women as a more intelligent breed of cattle, where if they complete a list of items on an imaginary checklist they will be granted pussy.