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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:49 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Well, for starters, that's what you guys have been telling me. In fact, you just told me in a previous post that the creator and destroyer gods represent cycles. It's been awhile since I looked into Hinduism, and I'll admit I'm not ultra-familiar with it.

I think you've confused the Hindu acknowledgement of creation and destruction as intrinsic, essential parts of the universe with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

"The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate." -You

Christianity teaches that reality is linear in nature, not cyclical.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:52 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:I think you've confused the Hindu acknowledgement of creation and destruction as intrinsic, essential parts of the universe with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

"The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate." -You

Christianity teaches that reality is linear in nature, not cyclical.

I've never heard that Christianity denies the seasons. Please tell me more.

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Postby Gim » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:54 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:"The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate." -You

Christianity teaches that reality is linear in nature, not cyclical.

I've never heard that Christianity denies the seasons. Please tell me more.


Hence, Ecclesiastes 3:1

There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens:
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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:58 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:"The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate." -You

Christianity teaches that reality is linear in nature, not cyclical.

I've never heard that Christianity denies the seasons. Please tell me more.

What? That's obviously not what I was getting at. According to Hinduism, there have been many worlds before this one, and in Christianity, this is the only world that ever existed, i.e. there have been none before and will be none after. Obviously very different.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:00 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:I've never heard that Christianity denies the seasons. Please tell me more.

What? That's obviously not what I was getting at. According to Hinduism, there have been many worlds before this one, and in Christianity, this is the only world that ever existed, i.e. there have been none before and will be none after. Obviously very different.

I would like you to justify both of those statements.

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:05 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:What? That's obviously not what I was getting at. According to Hinduism, there have been many worlds before this one, and in Christianity, this is the only world that ever existed, i.e. there have been none before and will be none after. Obviously very different.

I would like you to justify both of those statements.

That's just what Hinduism says. Here's one site that mentions it and cites its sources, you can tell me if it's reliable or not

http://people.opposingviews.com/hindu-b ... -4524.html
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:11 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:I would like you to justify both of those statements.

That's just what Hinduism says. Here's one site that mentions it and cites its sources, you can tell me if it's reliable or not

http://people.opposingviews.com/hindu-b ... -4524.html

Good. I was afraid that you had just read into what I had said, and were not bothering to research Hinduism. Although I would caveat that it is possible for Brahma and Shiva to work on smaller scales then the entire universe. Not everything Shiva destroys is a universe. Sometimes he just blows up a ham radio.

But that's just one. Where in the Bible does it say that God has never created before, and will never do again? In light of everything I know about Christian Mythology, that seems an enormously arrogant thing for a Christian to say.

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:14 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:That's just what Hinduism says. Here's one site that mentions it and cites its sources, you can tell me if it's reliable or not

http://people.opposingviews.com/hindu-b ... -4524.html

Good. I was afraid that you had just read into what I had said, and were not bothering to research Hinduism. Although I would caveat that it is possible for Brahma and Shiva to work on smaller scales then the entire universe. Not everything Shiva destroys is a universe. Sometimes he just blows up a ham radio.

But that's just one. Where in the Bible does it say that God has never created before, and will never do again? In light of everything I know about Christian Mythology, that seems an enormously arrogant thing for a Christian to say.

Well Genesis does say, "In the beginning". There's no Biblical reason for a Christian to say that other worlds have been created before. And it's not arrogance, it has nothing to do with pride; just adhering to what has been given to us in the Bible.
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby North Arkana » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:17 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:Good. I was afraid that you had just read into what I had said, and were not bothering to research Hinduism. Although I would caveat that it is possible for Brahma and Shiva to work on smaller scales then the entire universe. Not everything Shiva destroys is a universe. Sometimes he just blows up a ham radio.

But that's just one. Where in the Bible does it say that God has never created before, and will never do again? In light of everything I know about Christian Mythology, that seems an enormously arrogant thing for a Christian to say.

Well Genesis does say, "In the beginning". There's no Biblical reason for a Christian to say that other worlds have been created before. And it's not arrogance, it has nothing to do with pride; just adhering to what has been given to us in the Bible.

Or it's just beyond our puny human intellects to comprehend the existence before existence. :roll:
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:19 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:Good. I was afraid that you had just read into what I had said, and were not bothering to research Hinduism. Although I would caveat that it is possible for Brahma and Shiva to work on smaller scales then the entire universe. Not everything Shiva destroys is a universe. Sometimes he just blows up a ham radio.

But that's just one. Where in the Bible does it say that God has never created before, and will never do again? In light of everything I know about Christian Mythology, that seems an enormously arrogant thing for a Christian to say.

Well Genesis does say, "In the beginning". There's no Biblical reason for a Christian to say that other worlds have been created before. And it's not arrogance, it has nothing to do with pride; just adhering to what has been given to us in the Bible.

It can't possibly be the absolute beginning. The Earth and "The Deep" already exist.

And point out to me where the Bible says that God will never create again?

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:19 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Well Genesis does say, "In the beginning". There's no Biblical reason for a Christian to say that other worlds have been created before. And it's not arrogance, it has nothing to do with pride; just adhering to what has been given to us in the Bible.

Or it's just beyond our puny human intellects to comprehend the existence before existence. :roll:
Attempting to place divine "truth" in the words a book written and rewritten by men for selfish gain is a fools game, where only those letting themselves be fooled believe.

How is the Bible written for "selfish gain"? The Apostle Paul was beheaded, that certainly wasn't selfish gain.
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby Renewed Dissonance » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:19 pm

54e wrote:No, but would God kill baby Hitler?


No, and neither should you. Grown-up Hitler, on the other hand, is fair game. Even at the risk of lowering the universe by 10 feet.
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Postby Renewed Dissonance » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:20 pm

Gim wrote:
54e wrote:No, but would God kill baby Hitler?


Why would he even have Hitler be born again, when Hitler has already been killed?


Why would he have Hitler born at all?
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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:21 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Well Genesis does say, "In the beginning". There's no Biblical reason for a Christian to say that other worlds have been created before. And it's not arrogance, it has nothing to do with pride; just adhering to what has been given to us in the Bible.

It can't possibly be the absolute beginning. The Earth and "The Deep" already exist.

And point out to me where the Bible says that God will never create again?

We just don't have enough to go off of to say that He will. It's not that He can't, He's omnipotent; but it just doesn't seem likely. I mean, what would the reason be?
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:It can't possibly be the absolute beginning. The Earth and "The Deep" already exist.

And point out to me where the Bible says that God will never create again?

We just don't have enough to go off of to say that He will. It's not that He can't, He's omnipotent; but it just doesn't seem likely. I mean, what would the reason be?

What was his reason the first time?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:It can't possibly be the absolute beginning. The Earth and "The Deep" already exist.

And point out to me where the Bible says that God will never create again?

We just don't have enough to go off of to say that He will. It's not that He can't, He's omnipotent; but it just doesn't seem likely. I mean, what would the reason be?

Why not the reason he created in the first place: for his own glory?
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Postby Jochistan » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 pm

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Grand Calvert wrote:Oh geez, don't open another can of worms.

That can of worms is open to anyone who's read the Bible, bud.

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:24 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:We just don't have enough to go off of to say that He will. It's not that He can't, He's omnipotent; but it just doesn't seem likely. I mean, what would the reason be?

Why not the reason he created in the first place: for his own glory?

Exactly. After Earth is all over with, all the people that died and went to Heaven will be there, praising Him for eternity. I just don't see Him creating another world to go through the same thing all over again.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:22 am

Grand Calvert wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Why not the reason he created in the first place: for his own glory?

Exactly. After Earth is all over with, all the people that died and went to Heaven will be there, praising Him for eternity. I just don't see Him creating another world to go through the same thing all over again.


SO why did he do it the first time? Also praising him for eternity sounds really really dumb and boring. It also makes him seem like a needy child. Oh and...why are you determining what attributes god has when there is no scriptural support of your point. I will throw a quote heard often from Christians back at you...God works in mysterious ways.
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Postby Gim » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:23 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Exactly. After Earth is all over with, all the people that died and went to Heaven will be there, praising Him for eternity. I just don't see Him creating another world to go through the same thing all over again.


SO why did he do it the first time? Also praising him for eternity sounds really really dumb and boring. It also makes him seem like a needy child.


Who knows? God's Will. Fervently praying for the answer might be the correct route here, if you really want to know the answer.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:24 am

Gim wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
SO why did he do it the first time? Also praising him for eternity sounds really really dumb and boring. It also makes him seem like a needy child.


Who knows? God's Will. Fervently praying for the answer might be the correct route here, if you really want to know the answer.


Did that, never heard back from him. And God's will would be the reason he repeats it.
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Postby Gim » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:26 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Gim wrote:
Who knows? God's Will. Fervently praying for the answer might be the correct route here, if you really want to know the answer.


Did that, never heard back from him. And God's will would be the reason he repeats it.


Well, keep trying. God promises that:

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."


You will get the answer someday. :)
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:36 am

Gim wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Did that, never heard back from him. And God's will would be the reason he repeats it.


Well, keep trying. God promises that:

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."


You will get the answer someday. :)


THe definition of insanity is to keep trying something that has failed. When I was a kid I used to try repeatedly as a kid, never got a reply. I wasn't a Christian by the way. Oh also, praying seems to contradict the idea that god has a plan. Either the thing I prayed for was already part of gods plan,in which case no need to pray, or gods plan does not include me getting it, in which case again no need to pray. Why spend time on a useless endeavor? Now I no longer believe in a god, as I have not seen any evidence one exists. I actively disbelieve in the Abrahamic gods.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:38 am

Gim wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Did that, never heard back from him. And God's will would be the reason he repeats it.


Well, keep trying. God promises that:

Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."


You will get the answer someday. :)

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Postby Gim » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:39 am

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Gim wrote:
Well, keep trying. God promises that:



You will get the answer someday. :)

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Okay, then. *shrugs* :p
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