Would You Kill God?

[Grand Calvert]

No, the Trinity is three distinct persons, but the Hindu gods are just different manifestations.

Literally the same thing bud.

If you deny the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same god, you're a heretic.

There's a difference between distinct persons and just manifestations.

And no, I never denied that.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

Literally the same thing bud.

If you deny the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same god, you're a heretic.

There's a difference between distinct persons and just manifestations.

And no, I never denied that.

In Hinduism, manifestations are distinct people.

I sort of get what you're trying to express, but you haven't said it in a way that seems to comprehend the subject. You could have just said that the two conceptions of Trinitarianism are non-identical, and that would be correct. How much that actually matters is another issue.

[Grand Calvert]

There's a difference between distinct persons and just manifestations.

And no, I never denied that.

In Hinduism, manifestations are distinct people.

I sort of get what you're trying to express, but you haven't said it in a way that seems to comprehend the subject. You could have just said that the two conceptions of Trinitarianism are non-identical, and that would be correct. How much that actually matters is another issue.

Well it obviously would matter. If they aren't exactly identical, then that means they can't co-exist. For example, there's no "destroyer" in the Trinity and there's no "Son" in the trimurti.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

In Hinduism, manifestations are distinct people.

I sort of get what you're trying to express, but you haven't said it in a way that seems to comprehend the subject. You could have just said that the two conceptions of Trinitarianism are non-identical, and that would be correct. How much that actually matters is another issue.

Well it obviously would matter. If they aren't exactly identical, then that means they can't co-exist. For example, there's no "destroyer" in the Trinity and there's no "Son" in the trimurti.

Or it could just be that they are both imperfect mortal conceptions of the ultimate reality. Given the history of Christianity and Hinduism both, I would bet on that one before I would suppose that your tiny sub-denomination just happens to be exactly right.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Literally the same thing bud.

If you deny the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same god, you're a heretic.

There's a difference between distinct persons and just manifestations.

And no, I never denied that.

No, there isn't.

[Grand Calvert]

Well it obviously would matter. If they aren't exactly identical, then that means they can't co-exist. For example, there's no "destroyer" in the Trinity and there's no "Son" in the trimurti.

Or it could just be that they are both imperfect mortal conceptions of the ultimate reality. Given the history of Christianity and Hinduism both, I would bet on that one before I would suppose that your tiny sub-denomination just happens to be exactly right.

Ultimate reality?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Well it obviously would matter. If they aren't exactly identical, then that means they can't co-exist. For example, there's no "destroyer" in the Trinity and there's no "Son" in the trimurti.

Need to brush up on your Hindu theology. Shrimad Bhagvatam states Lord Shiva came from Lord Brahma's eyebrows. Different labels are meaningless; it's the same thing.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

Or it could just be that they are both imperfect mortal conceptions of the ultimate reality. Given the history of Christianity and Hinduism both, I would bet on that one before I would suppose that your tiny sub-denomination just happens to be exactly right.

Ultimate reality?

There is more than is dreamt of in your theology. You didn't really think otherwise, did you?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Or it could just be that they are both imperfect mortal conceptions of the ultimate reality. Given the history of Christianity and Hinduism both, I would bet on that one before I would suppose that your tiny sub-denomination just happens to be exactly right.

Ultimate reality?

See? You obviously are less than well-versed in Hindu theology.

The Ultimate Reality. The highest universal principle. The single, final, infinite Cause. Brahman.

[Grand Calvert]

Well it obviously would matter. If they aren't exactly identical, then that means they can't co-exist. For example, there's no "destroyer" in the Trinity and there's no "Son" in the trimurti.

Need to brush up on your Hindu theology. Shrimad Bhagvatam states Lord Shiva came from Lord Brahma's eyebrows. Different labels are meaningless; it's the same thing.

Okay then, where's the "destroyer" in the Trinity? And why does it seem that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Trinity all work towards the same goal, wheras the trimurti seems to fight against itself (i.e. one is a creator and one is a destroyer)

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

Need to brush up on your Hindu theology. Shrimad Bhagvatam states Lord Shiva came from Lord Brahma's eyebrows. Different labels are meaningless; it's the same thing.

Okay then, where's the "destroyer" in the Trinity? And why does it seem that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Trinity all work towards the same goal, wheras the trimurti seems to fight against itself (i.e. one is a creator and one is a destroyer)

The Holy Spirit seems to get up to an awful lot of destroying. But then the Father does too so you might be right that this one doesn't perfectly translate.

The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate.

[Grand Calvert]

Okay then, where's the "destroyer" in the Trinity? And why does it seem that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Trinity all work towards the same goal, wheras the trimurti seems to fight against itself (i.e. one is a creator and one is a destroyer)

The Holy Spirit seems to get up to an awful lot of destroying. But then the Father does too so you might be right that this one doesn't perfectly translate.

The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate.

If one is creating, and the other is destroying what has been created, that's going against each other. And anyways, how is destruction necessary for creation?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Need to brush up on your Hindu theology. Shrimad Bhagvatam states Lord Shiva came from Lord Brahma's eyebrows. Different labels are meaningless; it's the same thing.

Okay then, where's the "destroyer" in the Trinity? And why does it seem that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit of the Trinity all work towards the same goal, wheras the trimurti seems to fight against itself (i.e. one is a creator and one is a destroyer)

Already noted those labels are meaningless. And God the Father did quite a bit of destroying back in the day, or have you never read the Old Testament?

And again: Need to brush up on your Hindu theology. If you think the prime deities of Hinduism are "fighting" each other, you're really, really ignorant of it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The Holy Spirit seems to get up to an awful lot of destroying. But then the Father does too so you might be right that this one doesn't perfectly translate.

The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate.

If one is creating, and the other is destroying what has been created, that's going against each other. And anyways, how is destruction necessary for creation?

No it isn't? It's a fucking cycle. Hinduism is not what you'd call a linear belief system.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

The Holy Spirit seems to get up to an awful lot of destroying. But then the Father does too so you might be right that this one doesn't perfectly translate.

The Trimurti doesn't fight itself so much as it expresses the cyclical nature of reality. The Creator and the Destroyer are not in opposition, but each necessary for the other to operate.

If one is creating, and the other is destroying what has been created, that's going against each other. And anyways, how is destruction necessary for creation?

I think this is the point where, rather than a theological argument, one should simply stop and observe nature.

Creation and destruction are always linked.

[Grand Calvert]

If one is creating, and the other is destroying what has been created, that's going against each other. And anyways, how is destruction necessary for creation?

No it isn't? It's a fucking cycle. Hinduism is not what you'd call a linear belief system.

Exactly! Christianity is linear, not cyclical. That's another major difference.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No it isn't? It's a fucking cycle. Hinduism is not what you'd call a linear belief system.

Exactly! Christianity is linear, not cyclical. That's another major difference.

Is the Christian God not outside time (like Brahman) anymore?

[Grand Calvert]

Exactly! Christianity is linear, not cyclical. That's another major difference.

Is the Christian God not outside time (like Brahman) anymore?

He is, but Christianity is linear in the sense that there is a world that began at one point, and will permanently end in the future. Unlike Hinduism, which is a cycle of creation and destruction.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

Is the Christian God not outside time (like Brahman) anymore?

He is, but Christianity is linear in the sense that there is a world that began at one point, and will permanently end in the future. Unlike Hinduism, which is a cycle of creation and destruction.

I would like you to justify the last sentence. Mostly to see if you can.

[Adriopium]

I would say no in this scenario. If humanity were to judge God, we must also have all the evidence, testimonies, knowledge of the actions and intentions of God, which would have to either be found out by humanity (if they somehow discovered a way to do so), or rely on the testimony of God himself (and if available, supernatural beings, the dead, other incorporeal entities). And even then, testimony could be biased, including from one source. I wouldn't put it completely out of question, we are made in his image after all (I learned it from watching you! ). I would like to get in some actual judicial review before, you know, trying our Father in Heaven and Creator of our current existence. Also the consequences would be a good thing to know or at least, have a reasonable theory on before we go and push the red button. That's just my two cents.

Plus it just seems kind of dickish.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Plus it just seems kind of dickish.

So is committing genocide on things you created because they weren't quite good enough for you.

[Grand Calvert]

He is, but Christianity is linear in the sense that there is a world that began at one point, and will permanently end in the future. Unlike Hinduism, which is a cycle of creation and destruction.

I would like you to justify the last sentence. Mostly to see if you can.

Well, for starters, that's what you guys have been telling me. In fact, you just told me in a previous post that the creator and destroyer gods represent cycles. It's been awhile since I looked into Hinduism, and I'll admit I'm not ultra-familiar with it.

[Grand Calvert]

Plus it just seems kind of dickish.

So is committing genocide on things you created because they weren't quite good enough for you.

Oh geez, don't open another can of worms.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So is committing genocide on things you created because they weren't quite good enough for you.

Oh geez, don't open another can of worms.

That can of worms is open to anyone who's read the Bible, bud.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

I would like you to justify the last sentence. Mostly to see if you can.

Well, for starters, that's what you guys have been telling me. In fact, you just told me in a previous post that the creator and destroyer gods represent cycles. It's been awhile since I looked into Hinduism, and I'll admit I'm not ultra-familiar with it.

I think you've confused the Hindu acknowledgement of creation and destruction as intrinsic, essential parts of the universe with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.