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Would You Kill God?

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No
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:46 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
New Axiom wrote:
No

So then the Christian God was once born. What's the issue here?

It's not like Krishna didn't exist before he was born.

Indeed.

In fact, even Lord Brahma was "born" before the universe was created, since it was quite obviously him that did the deed.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:46 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Do you think Christ and the Father are separate entities?

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I am fully aware of the doctrine of the Trinity. I want to know if he is.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:46 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:And yet he was once born. So what's your point?

My point is that the two theologies can't coexist. Just because they have a few similarities it doesn't mean they're the same exact thing.

God is real. His existence is apparent. Maybe other people figured out that God existed, and their theology is just incorrect.
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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:47 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Axiom wrote:No

Do you think Christ and the Father are separate entities?


Yes, becuase Jesus is Gods son, but together with the holy spirit they make the holy trinity, so in a way, no.

EDIT: I didn't notice the chart until just now.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:48 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Similar doesn't mean exactly the same.

They aren't described the exact same way. But perhaps Krishna and God are the same being interpreted in different ways.

I think most of the people who seriously argue the point argue that Krishna and Jesus are the same being, and both avatars of the singular God(ish thing) Brahman.
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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:48 pm

The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:49 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:My point is that the two theologies can't coexist.

Not according to certain theologies, like Vedanta.
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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:51 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:My point is that the two theologies can't coexist.

Not according to certain theologies, like Vedanta.

What is Vedanta?
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:51 pm

OKAY! OKAY!! let's just keep this forum dedicated to the word game. We can set up a thread for this argument if you want. Calm down.
Everyone has a plan until the New Axiom Imperial Army comes. Then everyone is just like, omigawd. Run.

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New Axiom wrote:
You mean Black Friday as in the Apex Preadator of Capatalism?

Victory is measured in gi Joe dolls and easy bake ovens. It was not old age that killed castro, it was nintendo.


Pringles or Lays Stax? I prefer the Lays.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:51 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.

This only demonstrates your ignorance of Hinduism. Acting like Vishnu, Sri, Shiva, Parvati, Brahma, and Saraswati are somehow not all the same.

Not that Hindus are the only ones to worship the Ultimate Reality.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:52 pm

New Axiom wrote:OKAY! OKAY!! let's just keep this forum dedicated to the word game. We can set up a thread for this argument if you want. Calm down.

...what.

What word game.

This applies to the thread topic. The OP is participating.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:52 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
The Tungsten Horde wrote:And yet he was once born. So what's your point?

My point is that the two theologies can't coexist. Just because they have a few similarities it doesn't mean they're the same exact thing.

Two theologies absolutely can coexist, and do in all syncretic religions.

But that can't possibly be your point, because it has nothing to do with any of your responses to my posts.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:53 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Not according to certain theologies, like Vedanta.

What is Vedanta?

It's a school of Hindu philosophy. But isn't really "Hinduism" as most Westerners would identify it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta#V ... philosophy

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Postby New Axiom » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:53 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Axiom wrote:OKAY! OKAY!! let's just keep this forum dedicated to the word game. We can set up a thread for this argument if you want. Calm down.

...what.

What word game.

This applies to the thread topic. The OP is participating.


The "Would You Kill God" game.
Right now we're just having an argument about theologies and philosophy and religion.
Everyone has a plan until the New Axiom Imperial Army comes. Then everyone is just like, omigawd. Run.

My favorite user quotes:
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.


Ethel mermania wrote:
New Axiom wrote:
You mean Black Friday as in the Apex Preadator of Capatalism?

Victory is measured in gi Joe dolls and easy bake ovens. It was not old age that killed castro, it was nintendo.


Pringles or Lays Stax? I prefer the Lays.

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:53 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.

This only demonstrates your ignorance of Hinduism. Acting like Vishnu, Sri, Shiva, Parvati, Brahma, and Saraswati are somehow not all the same.

Not that Hindus are the only ones to worship the Ultimate Reality.

Okay then, so can you explain to me why God and the Hindu gods present themselves in completely different ways then? I mean, if they're all just the same thing, then they could at least tell their followers about the different religions established in their names.
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Sola Gratia (by grace alone)
Sola Fide (through faith alone)
Solus Christus (in Christ alone)
Sola Scriptura (according to scripture alone)
Soli Deo Gloria (for the glory of God alone)

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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:54 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.

:rofl:

The Hindus were Trinitarian before it was cool.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:54 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.


Not true. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are a trinity god.
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Postby Gim » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:54 pm

New Axiom wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...what.

What word game.

This applies to the thread topic. The OP is participating.


The "Would You Kill God" game.
Right now we're just having an argument about theologies and philosophy and religion.


Isn't NSG more about discussions than games? Games belong to F7.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:57 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.


Not true. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are a trinity god.

Not exactly in the same way as the Christian God, but yeah. They have a thing called Trimurti, where Brahman is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:57 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:The Christian God is Trinitarian, the Hindu gods are not. Thus, their nature is completely different, making them not the same.


Not true. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are a trinity god.

Not really, they don't have the same unity that the Trinity does.
17 year-old Conservative Reformed Baptist
“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Sola Fide (through faith alone)
Solus Christus (in Christ alone)
Sola Scriptura (according to scripture alone)
Soli Deo Gloria (for the glory of God alone)

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:59 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Not true. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are a trinity god.

Not really, they don't have the same unity that the Trinity does.

..actually, they really do. They're all just different manifestations ("persons") of a single, infinite god.

Just like the Father, Son, and Spirit.
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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:59 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Not true. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are a trinity god.

Not really, they don't have the same unity that the Trinity does.

In Hinduism all things have more profound unity then anything in Christianity.

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Postby Grand Calvert » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Not really, they don't have the same unity that the Trinity does.

..actually, they really do. They're all just different manifestations ("persons") of a single, infinite god.

Just like the Father, Son, and Spirit.

No, the Trinity is three distinct persons, but the Hindu gods are just different manifestations.
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

Saved...

Sola Gratia (by grace alone)
Sola Fide (through faith alone)
Solus Christus (in Christ alone)
Sola Scriptura (according to scripture alone)
Soli Deo Gloria (for the glory of God alone)

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:01 pm

New Axiom wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...what.

What word game.

This applies to the thread topic. The OP is participating.

The "Would You Kill God" game.
Right now we're just having an argument about theologies and philosophy and religion.

...this is not a "game." It's a discussion. We're in a discussion forum. F7 is where you'll find games.

And that's the fucking point, bud. Of course we're having a theological discussion, the damn OP is about theological theory.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:02 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:..actually, they really do. They're all just different manifestations ("persons") of a single, infinite god.

Just like the Father, Son, and Spirit.

No, the Trinity is three distinct persons, but the Hindu gods are just different manifestations.

Literally the same thing bud.

If you deny the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same god, you're a heretic.
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The question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. ― William S. Burroughs


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