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Would You Kill God?

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Shan Yue
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Postby Shan Yue » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:34 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Sons of Adam wrote:It's fine, right... depends on what state you live in.

Its even scarier having the state as an all powerful deity than a vague God in my opinion.

If the option is between the two, I favour an acceptably benign state with immense temporal power that can be used for ethical ends. At that point such a state may well amount to being a sort of revered deity.

All extremes are bad in the long run. A fundamentalist state, whether theist or atheist, are equally susceptible to all the vagaries of interpretation. There are no gaurantees in a condition as subjective as the human one except that there will be chaos.
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Liberty and Linguistics
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:27 pm

Nah, I'd make myself his right hand man.
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The Hobbesian Metaphysician
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:32 pm

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Nah, I'd make myself his right hand man.

So you would kill Jesus?
...again?
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:35 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:Nah, I'd make myself his right hand man.

So you would kill Jesus?
...again?


I'd leave that to some Roman dude.
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Postby Renewed Dissonance » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:39 pm

Linnuis wrote:...what are you going to do about it? If he exists, he exists, and not believing in him isn't going to change it.


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Postby Renewed Dissonance » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:42 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought?


Religion is, apparently, a thing. So...
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The Hobbesian Metaphysician
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:07 pm

Renewed Dissonance wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought?


Religion is, apparently, a thing. So...

Considering elephants can practice elements of religious behavior I doubt that.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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New confederate ramenia
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:37 pm

Ordoxia wrote:You can't kill God, that's why he's a God. :blink:

You can if he lets you.
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Valystria
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Postby Valystria » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:41 pm

Shan Yue wrote:
Valystria wrote:If the option is between the two, I favour an acceptably benign state with immense temporal power that can be used for ethical ends. At that point such a state may well amount to being a sort of revered deity.

All extremes are bad in the long run. A fundamentalist state, whether theist or atheist, are equally susceptible to all the vagaries of interpretation. There are no gaurantees in a condition as subjective as the human one except that there will be chaos.

Not all extremes are bad. A fundamentally progressivist state would be structurally inclined to forever improve the human condition. Such a state would the most real deity that ever existed.

Perhaps the OP should not have asked would you kill god, but instead would you become god or create a god.

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New confederate ramenia
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:42 pm

Valystria wrote:
Shan Yue wrote:All extremes are bad in the long run. A fundamentalist state, whether theist or atheist, are equally susceptible to all the vagaries of interpretation. There are no gaurantees in a condition as subjective as the human one except that there will be chaos.

Not all extremes are bad. A fundamentally progressivist state would be structurally inclined to forever improve the human condition. Such a state would the most real deity that ever existed.

Perhaps the OP should not have asked would you kill god, but instead would you become god or create a god.

Are you an actual state worshipper?
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Postby Daburuetchi » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:54 pm

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Valystria
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Postby Valystria » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:40 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Valystria wrote:Not all extremes are bad. A fundamentally progressivist state would be structurally inclined to forever improve the human condition. Such a state would the most real deity that ever existed.

Perhaps the OP should not have asked would you kill god, but instead would you become god or create a god.

Are you an actual state worshipper?

I would like to be if there were a state worth worshipping.

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Gim
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Postby Gim » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:41 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:
Ordoxia wrote:You can't kill God, that's why he's a God. :blink:

You can if he lets you.


He already did, but he rose again.
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Merish Isles
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Postby Merish Isles » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:45 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:Would you kill God?

It turns out that Christianity is correct. God is real. And the man who knocked on your door is actually God. He tells you "As I have judged Man, so too shall Man judge Me." You are then handed a big red button labeled "Kill God." Do you push the button?

Keep in mind, you don't know how this will affect the afterlife, the material universe, and people's souls. What happens to dead people? What happens to the living? You don't know. All you know is that God will cease to exist if you push the button. Will you push it?

I personally would push the button. I feel that this would be a logical conclusion to an existence of subservience to God, and simply inevitable.


YOU KNOW 100% THAT GOD IS REAL AND THE MAN WITH THE BIG BUTTON IS GOD IN THIS SCENARIO.

GOD WON'T DESTROY THE WORLD OR KILL YOU IF YOU PUSH THE BUTTON. HOWEVER, THE WORLD OR YOU MAY CTE AS A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF GOD'S DEATH, BUT YOU CANNOT BE SURE OF THIS.


Duh!!

Don't push the button!!

What, are you some sort of idiot??

You have an omnipotent being and the one item that can kill him.

That seems like a recipe for some Grade-A Extortion to me!!

Why the hell would you kill this potential infinite energy resource??
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Merish Isles
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Postby Merish Isles » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:45 pm

Gim wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:You can if he lets you.


He already did, but he rose again.


Oh snap!! :rofl:
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Merish Isles
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Postby Merish Isles » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:46 pm

Gim wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:You can if he lets you.


He already did, but he rose again.


You also make a good point here: OP specified the Christian God. We all know that he doesn't stay dead.
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Gim
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Postby Gim » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:49 pm

Merish Isles wrote:
Gim wrote:
He already did, but he rose again.


Oh snap!! :rofl:


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Camicon
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Postby Camicon » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:16 pm

If it's the God as spelled out literally in the Torah/Bible/Quran, and not as described by the more generous and pacifistic leaning members of their associated religions, then I'm pressing that button. Nobody needs a genocidal, omnipotent being hanging over their heads.
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Shan Yue
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Postby Shan Yue » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:33 am

Valystria wrote:
Shan Yue wrote:All extremes are bad in the long run. A fundamentalist state, whether theist or atheist, are equally susceptible to all the vagaries of interpretation. There are no gaurantees in a condition as subjective as the human one except that there will be chaos.

Not all extremes are bad. A fundamentally progressivist state would be structurally inclined to forever improve the human condition. Such a state would the most real deity that ever existed.

Perhaps the OP should not have asked would you kill god, but instead would you become god or create a god.

Its been done, with less serious results that this one has inspired.
Meanwhile your progessively fundamentalist state is an oxymoron that in its overreach for idyllic
society will eventually achieve a stasis that might serve its purpose, but not humanity's. There will never be an absolute unitarian ideology, because no human contrivance can escape the vagaries of our own dual nature. That which is used for + can and will be used for -, and the opinion on what those are will never be universal either, thankfully.
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Postby North Arkana » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:08 am

Comparing God's relationship to humanity via the Bible and what the loudest "Christian" voices have said throughout history... It's an unhealthy abusive relationship. It should be ended for the "health" of both parties.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:17 am

Shan Yue wrote:
Valystria wrote:Not all extremes are bad. A fundamentally progressivist state would be structurally inclined to forever improve the human condition. Such a state would the most real deity that ever existed.

Perhaps the OP should not have asked would you kill god, but instead would you become god or create a god.

Its been done, with less serious results that this one has inspired.
Meanwhile your progessively fundamentalist state is an oxymoron that in its overreach for idyllic
society will eventually achieve a stasis that might serve its purpose, but not humanity's. There will never be an absolute unitarian ideology, because no human contrivance can escape the vagaries of our own dual nature. That which is used for + can and will be used for -, and the opinion on what those are will never be universal either, thankfully.


which is why sometimes the correct outcome must be enforced from the top down; sometimes we can't afford to be held back by humanity's inability to agree on the most important social and economic issues of the day
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Gurori
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Postby Gurori » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:13 pm

Nah, I already hooked him up to my energy draining machine in the basement like every other god that exists.

My basement is in another universe's alternate dimensions.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:19 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:
Valystria wrote:No, it's fine if the state is the only god left. It will be a fair and benevolent state.

It's fine, right... depends on what state you live in.

Its even scarier having the state as an all powerful deity than a vague God in my opinion.

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Postby The Greater Holy Roman Empire III » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:22 pm

tag

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Postby Gim » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:38 pm

The Greater Holy Roman Empire III wrote:tag


Uh....what?
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