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Politicoandrous Anthronegative Proplex
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Postby Politicoandrous Anthronegative Proplex » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:11 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

No he didn't. He told Eve the truth. God was the one who lied to them, saying the fruit would kill them (which doesn't really make much sense to a pair of people who have no idea what death is).


God never lied with shit.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:13 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?


I think you'll find the philosophical discussion in this important historical video answers all of your questions on this point.

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Postby Korhal IVV » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:20 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?


I think you'll find the philosophical discussion in this important historical video answers all of your questions on this point.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:22 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

I think you'll find the philosophical discussion in this important historical video answers all of your questions on this point.

I know you're being a bit humorous, Arch, but I'm not so philosophically immature that "I think it's something to do with free will" cuts it for me.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:23 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:I think you'll find the philosophical discussion in this important historical video answers all of your questions on this point.

Finally

Don't get in the habit of letting clips from TV shows debate for you. You won't only lose the debate, you'll lose any respect you might have gained from at least standing up for yourself.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:26 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:I think you'll find the philosophical discussion in this important historical video answers all of your questions on this point.

I know you're being a bit humorous, Arch, but I'm not so philosophically immature that "I think it's something to do with free will" cuts it for me.


I wasn't being a 'bit' humorous; it was entirely meant as a joke. No implication about your own approach to the issue (or indeed my own) was even remotely implied. I'd be more worried about anyone who took that clip from Time Bandits as a serious argument.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:29 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I know you're being a bit humorous, Arch, but I'm not so philosophically immature that "I think it's something to do with free will" cuts it for me.

I wasn't being a 'bit' humorous; it was entirely meant as a joke. No implication about your own approach to the issue (or indeed my own) was even remotely implied. I'd be more worried about anyone who took that clip from Time Bandits as a serious argument.

Hedging my bets. :P
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Korhal IVV
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Postby Korhal IVV » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:43 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Finally

Don't get in the habit of letting clips from TV shows debate for you. You won't only lose the debate, you'll lose any respect you might have gained from at least standing up for yourself.

:clap:

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:25 am

Immoren wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.


Lucifer was that kid whose dad one day brought home bunch of smelly annoying pets, and got kicked out of the house, after he gave an opinion tjat these creatures need to go.
:p

The fact these creatures didn't take responsibility for pissing on the rug either doesn't help.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:26 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote: God let them to their damn mistakes for them to experience the consequences. Sin was the reason of all this chaos, and in the end Satan is the one to be blamed.

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

The great whore of course.
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Postby The God of Destruction Beerus » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:36 am

Melon feud wrote:SHEESE ! the godless zombies/ Satan's minions of deceived souls sure get twitchy as an Indian broke mule when somebody pisses in their post toastys of beliefs. original/conventional views, it's sad and pretty fuckin funny at the same time.

Only a QUEER could interpreted GOD'S WARBOW(it's referred commonly as a RAINBOW, but since the QUEERS jacked that thing of beauty as their flagship of queerness , GOD'S WARBOW really grinds their queer gears) to the size of gods god cock.

SHEESE.


That's just homophobic, now I need to destroy your planet.
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Postby Ordoxia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:39 am

You can't kill God, that's why he's a God. :blink:

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:41 am

Ordoxia wrote:You can't kill God, that's why he's a God. :blink:

...

Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought? Are hypothetical situations a lost art?
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:14 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...why'd he do that? Why'd God create something imperfect, that he knew would rebel against him? Unless all this sin and death was part of his plan...?

No one can understand completely how God thinks


Then we cannot know what god wants, nor can we know if it is a good god. Thus the only way to judge him is by our standards.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:15 am

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Postby Valystria » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:18 am

Confederate Ramenia wrote:Would you kill God?

It turns out that Christianity is correct. God is real. And the man who knocked on your door is actually God. He tells you "As I have judged Man, so too shall Man judge Me." You are then handed a big red button labeled "Kill God." Do you push the button?

If the circumstances were as the OP describes, I would assume the person at my door is of unsound mind and a threat to themselves and others. I would proceed to contact the proper authorities and inform them of the situation.

Were I in an actual position to kill a god I'd do my ethical duty and obligation eagerly.

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Postby Ordoxia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:56 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Ordoxia wrote:You can't kill God, that's why he's a God. :blink:

...

Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought? Are hypothetical situations a lost art?



It's not hypothetic, it's self-denying. A god who you can kill isn't a God.

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Postby The Tungsten Horde (Ancient) » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:58 pm

Ordoxia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...

Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought? Are hypothetical situations a lost art?



It's not hypothetic, it's self-denying. A god who you can kill isn't a God.

And thus Christianity was disproven.

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Postby Immoren » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:59 pm

Ordoxia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...

Has humanity lost the capability for abstract thought? Are hypothetical situations a lost art?



It's not hypothetic, it's self-denying. A god who you can kill isn't a God.


All gods die, once you strip them of followers.
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Postby Linnuis » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:03 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:Would you kill God?

It turns out that Christianity is correct. God is real. And the man who knocked on your door is actually God. He tells you "As I have judged Man, so too shall Man judge Me." You are then handed a big red button labeled "Kill God." Do you push the button?

Keep in mind, you don't know how this will affect the afterlife, the material universe, and people's souls. What happens to dead people? What happens to the living? You don't know. All you know is that God will cease to exist if you push the button. Will you push it?

I personally would push the button. I feel that this would be a logical conclusion to an existence of subservience to God, and simply inevitable.


YOU KNOW 100% THAT GOD IS REAL AND THE MAN WITH THE BIG BUTTON IS GOD IN THIS SCENARIO.

GOD WON'T DESTROY THE WORLD OR KILL YOU IF YOU PUSH THE BUTTON. HOWEVER, THE WORLD OR YOU MAY CTE AS A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF GOD'S DEATH, BUT YOU CANNOT BE SURE OF THIS.

No. Because the Christian God is the sustainer of all creation. If God ceased to exist then so too would all life and space-time. In killing God you would effectively kill every living thing, including yourself.
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Postby Valystria » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:17 pm

Immoren wrote:
Ordoxia wrote:

It's not hypothetic, it's self-denying. A god who you can kill isn't a God.


All gods die, once you strip them of followers.

Then we best get to work at stripping away the followers by secularizing them.

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Postby Immoren » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:23 pm

Linnuis wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:Would you kill God?

It turns out that Christianity is correct. God is real. And the man who knocked on your door is actually God. He tells you "As I have judged Man, so too shall Man judge Me." You are then handed a big red button labeled "Kill God." Do you push the button?

Keep in mind, you don't know how this will affect the afterlife, the material universe, and people's souls. What happens to dead people? What happens to the living? You don't know. All you know is that God will cease to exist if you push the button. Will you push it?

I personally would push the button. I feel that this would be a logical conclusion to an existence of subservience to God, and simply inevitable.


YOU KNOW 100% THAT GOD IS REAL AND THE MAN WITH THE BIG BUTTON IS GOD IN THIS SCENARIO.

GOD WON'T DESTROY THE WORLD OR KILL YOU IF YOU PUSH THE BUTTON. HOWEVER, THE WORLD OR YOU MAY CTE AS A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF GOD'S DEATH, BUT YOU CANNOT BE SURE OF THIS.

No. Because the Christian God is the sustainer of all creation. If God ceased to exist then so too would all life and space-time. In killing God you would effectively kill every living thing, including yourself.


"No Creation Without Destruction.
No Destruction Without Creation."


Valystria wrote:
Immoren wrote:
All gods die, once you strip them of followers.

Then we best get to work at stripping away the followers by secularizing them.


Then there'd arise new generation of gods, adjusted to secularization, so their portfolio and followers would fit into modern secularized world. :p
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Postby Linnuis » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:43 pm

Immoren wrote:
"No Creation Without Destruction.
No Destruction Without Creation."



Here is an essential misunderstanding of the nature of God. We as finite beings have to use materials around us to create a thing. We must consume food to give ourselves sufficient energy to do the act of creation. In short, that which is not omnipotent must use the matter around it to create.
God, however, is omnipotent. He is able to create matter from himself due to his inherent self-sufficiency. He is not simply all powerful. He is power.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:45 pm

Linnuis wrote:
Confederate Ramenia wrote:Would you kill God?

It turns out that Christianity is correct. God is real. And the man who knocked on your door is actually God. He tells you "As I have judged Man, so too shall Man judge Me." You are then handed a big red button labeled "Kill God." Do you push the button?

Keep in mind, you don't know how this will affect the afterlife, the material universe, and people's souls. What happens to dead people? What happens to the living? You don't know. All you know is that God will cease to exist if you push the button. Will you push it?

I personally would push the button. I feel that this would be a logical conclusion to an existence of subservience to God, and simply inevitable.


YOU KNOW 100% THAT GOD IS REAL AND THE MAN WITH THE BIG BUTTON IS GOD IN THIS SCENARIO.

GOD WON'T DESTROY THE WORLD OR KILL YOU IF YOU PUSH THE BUTTON. HOWEVER, THE WORLD OR YOU MAY CTE AS A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF GOD'S DEATH, BUT YOU CANNOT BE SURE OF THIS.

No. Because the Christian God is the sustainer of all creation. If God ceased to exist then so too would all life and space-time. In killing God you would effectively kill every living thing, including yourself.


There is no evidence, even in the bible, that this is the case.

Linnuis wrote:
Immoren wrote:
"No Creation Without Destruction.
No Destruction Without Creation."



Here is an essential misunderstanding of the nature of God. We as finite beings have to use materials around us to create a thing. We must consume food to give ourselves sufficient energy to do the act of creation. In short, that which is not omnipotent must use the matter around it to create.
God, however, is omnipotent. He is able to create matter from himself due to his inherent self-sufficiency. He is not simply all powerful. He is power.


Except when it comes to iron chariots.
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Postby Ordoxia » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:53 pm

The Tungsten Horde wrote:
Ordoxia wrote:And thus Christianity was disproven.


You're talking about Jsuss Christ?
Well i guess that'd be a problem for the Roman chatolics who claim that Christ had only one Divine nature, but we Orthodox Christians say He had two: he was a God-human(two natures in one).

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