Would You Kill God?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Sounds like faulty design, to me. What kind of shit deity would end up with such a terrible and chaotic creation?

God let them to their damn mistakes for them to experience the consequences. Sin was the reason of all this chaos, and in the end Satan is the one to be blamed.

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

[Korhal IVV]

God let them to their damn mistakes for them to experience the consequences. Sin was the reason of all this chaos, and in the end Satan is the one to be blamed.

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

[Wallenburg]

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

God should have destroyed him.

[Korhal IVV]

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

God should have destroyed him.

God's thinking is different from human thinking

[Prussoslavia]

You can't kill the Christian God by button, He is immaterial.
And besides, God is not a fool, to provide a man the right to choose about his death.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

...why'd he do that? Why'd God create something imperfect, that he knew would rebel against him? Unless all this sin and death was part of his plan...?

[Korhal IVV]

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

...why'd he do that? Why'd God create something imperfect, that he knew would rebel against him? Unless all this sin and death was part of his plan...?

No one can understand completely how God thinks

[Wallenburg]

God should have destroyed him.

God's thinking is different from human thinking

"God works in mysterious ways" is unacceptable. By your holy book, Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and thus acquired the thinking capacity of God. Why can't we understand him if we descend from Adam and Eve?

[Korhal IVV]

God's thinking is different from human thinking

"God works in mysterious ways" is unacceptable. By your holy book, Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and thus acquired the thinking capacity of God. Why can't we understand him if we descend from Adam and Eve?

Because they did not acquired the thinking of God. They simply knew from good and evil (and that's why they covered themselves up)

Oh wait, this is getting... Off topic

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...why'd he do that? Why'd God create something imperfect, that he knew would rebel against him? Unless all this sin and death was part of his plan...?

No one can understand completely how God thinks

So you don't know.

God is omniscient, yes? Omnipotent, et cetera, et cetera. Knows all, sees all, can do anything. He knew creating Lucifer would result in his rebellion. He knew Lucifer would go fuck with his creations. He knew they'd eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Since he knew all this, and could have prevented it at any point: Why?

Which brings me to another good question: Why the fuck did he put that tree in the middle of the garden? That's like putting a filet mignon in front of a young puppy and telling him not to eat it, then leaving the damn house - then, when you come back and he ate it, you beat him to death.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Oh wait, this is getting... Off topic

Don't you dare bitch out now. I want a straight answer.

[Wallenburg]

"God works in mysterious ways" is unacceptable. By your holy book, Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge and thus acquired the thinking capacity of God. Why can't we understand him if we descend from Adam and Eve?

Because they did not acquired the thinking of God. They simply knew from good and evil (and that's why they covered themselves up)

Oh wait, this is getting... Off topic

If they needed the apples to understand morality, why did God punish them for eating them when he had not given Adam and Eve understanding of right and wrong?

But yes, let's get back on topic.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If they needed the apples to understand morality, why did God punish them for eating them when he had not given Adam and Eve understanding of right and wrong?

Exactly. If no one has morals or is even aware of their concept, do they really exist?

Even if God told them not to do something, how should they have known it was wrong to act contrary to his will?

[Korhal IVV]

If they needed the apples to understand morality, why did God punish them for eating them when he had not given Adam and Eve understanding of right and wrong?

Exactly. If no one has morals or is even aware of their concept, do they really exist?

Even if God told them not to do something, how should they have known it was wrong to act contrary to his will?

Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

[Alvecia]

No one can understand completely how God thinks

So you don't know.

God is omniscient, yes? Omnipotent, et cetera, et cetera. Knows all, sees all, can do anything. He knew creating Lucifer would result in his rebellion. He knew Lucifer would go fuck with his creations. He knew they'd eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Since he knew all this, and could have prevented it at any point: Why?

Which brings me to another good question: Why the fuck did he put that tree in the middle of the garden? That's like putting a filet mignon in front of a young puppy and telling him not to eat it, then leaving the damn house - then, when you come back and he ate it, you beat him to death.

Ah, the problem of evil. Always a good debate topic.

[Wallenburg]

Exactly. If no one has morals or is even aware of their concept, do they really exist?

Even if God told them not to do something, how should they have known it was wrong to act contrary to his will?

Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

No he didn't. He told Eve the truth. God was the one who lied to them, saying the fruit would kill them (which doesn't really make much sense to a pair of people who have no idea what death is).

[Korhal IVV]

Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

No he didn't. He told Eve the truth. God was the one who lied to them, saying the fruit would kill them (which doesn't really make much sense to a pair of people who have no idea what death is).

They died after they ate the fruit. It does not automatically mean that it would insta kill them, rather they lost their immortality.

Also, "death" also meant separation from God, and loss of fellowship from God.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Exactly. If no one has morals or is even aware of their concept, do they really exist?

Even if God told them not to do something, how should they have known it was wrong to act contrary to his will?

Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

You didn't answer my question.

You haven't answered any of my questions, actually.

[Afrigidoloco]

loads magClick, boooooooooomm

[Wallenburg]

No he didn't. He told Eve the truth. God was the one who lied to them, saying the fruit would kill them (which doesn't really make much sense to a pair of people who have no idea what death is).

They died after they ate the fruit. It does not automatically mean that it would insta kill them, rather they lost their immortality.

Also, "death" also meant separation from God, and loss of fellowship from God.

I suppose so. But I'm staring at Genesis 3 right now and I don't see how the serpent deceives anyone. And again, what does death mean to an immortal?

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

No he didn't. He told Eve the truth. God was the one who lied to them, saying the fruit would kill them (which doesn't really make much sense to a pair of people who have no idea what death is).

They died after they ate the fruit. It does not automatically mean that it would insta kill them, rather they lost their immortality.

The passage doesn't say "insta kill" it says that they would die that same day. And it defines what it is meant by "day" just a few verses earlier as a solar day.

Also, "death" also meant separation from God, and loss of fellowship from God.

Revisionist rubbish.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Also, "death" also meant separation from God, and loss of fellowship from God.

Revisionist rubbish.

TROTSKYIST OPPORTUNIS - oh wait. Never mind, sorry, wrong topic.

[The Tungsten Horde (Ancient)]

They died after they ate the fruit. It does not automatically mean that it would insta kill them, rather they lost their immortality.

Also, "death" also meant separation from God, and loss of fellowship from God.

I suppose so. But I'm staring at Genesis 3 right now and I don't see how the serpent deceives anyone.

Well at least God's punishment of "you shall crawl on your belly all of your days" isn't much of a punishment for a snake.

I bet he couldn't believe his luck.

[Korhal IVV]

Satan deceived them. No more to say, no less to say.

You didn't answer my question.

You haven't answered any of my questions, actually.

Whatever, I will just review my textbooks for my exams tonight.

[Immoren]

If Satan's to blame... where did Satan come from?

God created Lucifer and all the angels. Satan, or Lucifer, wanted God's power for himself. For his pride, he was kicked out of Heaven along with his minions.

Lucifer was that kid whose dad one day brought home bunch of smelly annoying pets, and got kicked out of the house, after he gave an opinion tjat these creatures need to go.