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Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

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Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

Postby Aryavartha » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:17 am

Well...it turns out he's not that. He's not even a member of that organization or a fighter of any sort.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
"They told me, 'Sorry, we discover that you are not Number 3, not a partner, not even a fighter,' " said Abu Zubaida, speaking in broken English, according to the new transcript of a Combatant Status Review Tribunal held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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Bush described Abu Zubaida in 2002 as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations
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Abu Zubaida was subjected 83 times to waterboarding.


I have been telling all along what a scam the Pakistanis were running along with complicit folks in the Dubya administration. Yes, there were some important people caught, like KSM etc....but all that were in the beginning of the "war on terror". After the initial flurry...it settled into a nice little scam where a lot of money was made in Pakistan and probably cutbacks in the USA by capturing these dreadful Al-Qaeda "important operatives" and "number 3"s.

When Obama administration was looking to put a stop to this, Pakistan played its card that never fails, "Give us money or we will let the bearded fundoos take over us". This trick has never failed and it is flowing money there.

Let's see where this latest offensive (or drama, as I call it) takes us.

And what is the reconciliation for all these innocent people incarcerated in Gitmo for all these years and tortured for nothing except the sadistic pleasures of a few?

Will the truth about these folks ever come out?

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Re: Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:20 am

its very disturbing...

so KSM tells them under torture that bin laden is in pakistan.....

are we sure that that is true?
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Re: Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

Postby The Macabees » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:21 am

Well, he wasn't part of Al-Qaeda. Maybe now he will become. :p
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:42 am

Oh christ.
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Postby Yootopia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:44 am

Ah show trials. They do make you look bad.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:44 am

He's making shit up to hurt the US.
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Postby Yootopia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:45 am

Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.

"Tortured man makes shit up shocker"
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:46 am

Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.

Riiiiiight.


Nevermind the fact that everything he claims was verified by others.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:47 am

Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.

if only, eh?

we know that he was never a big player with alqaeda. he was the guy who helped people get to training camps and out of them again without sounding an alarm with their governments.

not innocent but not terribly important.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:50 am

Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.


Yep. He must've forged those CIA documents saying they were mistaken about him. :p
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:51 am

Trve wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.

Riiiiiight.


Nevermind the fact that everything he claims was verified by others.


I'm sure. This is the problem with you're story. The "others" you mention are't realiable sources. I won't believe you until you provide Al-Qaeda's entire payroll.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:52 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.


Yep. He must've forged those CIA documents saying they were mistaken about him. :p


Even if he wasn't number 3, he's still part of Al-Qaeda, and should be given the most painful death possible.
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:52 am

Brogavia wrote:
Trve wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.

Riiiiiight.


Nevermind the fact that everything he claims was verified by others.


I'm sure. This is the problem with you're story. The "others" you mention are't realiable sources. I won't believe you until you provide Al-Qaeda's entire payroll.



CIA is making shit up to hurt the US too eh?


God youre insane.
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:53 am

Brogavia wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.


Yep. He must've forged those CIA documents saying they were mistaken about him. :p


Even if he wasn't number 3, he's still part of Al-Qaeda.

Prove it.
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Postby Yootopia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:54 am

Brogavia wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.


Yep. He must've forged those CIA documents saying they were mistaken about him. :p


Even if he wasn't number 3, he's still part of Al-Qaeda, and should be given the most painful death possible.

REDACTED., courtesy of the CIA.
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Re: Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

Postby UNIverseVERSE » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:55 am

Brogavia wrote:I'm sure. This is the problem with you're story. The "others" you mention are't realiable sources. I won't believe you until you provide Al-Qaeda's entire payroll.


In case you haven't quite worked it out, Al-Qaeda isn't quite the sort of organisation which has a defined payroll. Maybe it also has an application process, and a PR firm?

Given the article mentioned the CIA saying "He's not a part of Al-Qaeda", and one might think they're an organisation with a bit of a vested interest in him being a part. if even they think he isn't, then he probably isn't.
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:55 am

UNIverseVERSE wrote:
Brogavia wrote:I'm sure. This is the problem with you're story. The "others" you mention are't realiable sources. I won't believe you until you provide Al-Qaeda's entire payroll.


In case you haven't quite worked it out, Al-Qaeda isn't quite the sort of organisation which has a defined payroll. Maybe it also has an application process, and a PR firm?

Given the article mentioned the CIA saying "He's not a part of Al-Qaeda", and one might think they're an organisation with a bit of a vested interest in him being a part. if even they think he isn't, then he probably isn't.

The only reliable source is Dick Cheney.


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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:58 am

UNIverseVERSE wrote:
Brogavia wrote:I'm sure. This is the problem with you're story. The "others" you mention are't realiable sources. I won't believe you until you provide Al-Qaeda's entire payroll.


In case you haven't quite worked it out, Al-Qaeda isn't quite the sort of organisation which has a defined payroll. Maybe it also has an application process, and a PR firm?

Given the article mentioned the CIA saying "He's not a part of Al-Qaeda", and one might think they're an organisation with a bit of a vested interest in him being a part. if even they think he isn't, then he probably isn't.

yeah and DICK CHENEY says that guantanamo bay holds the WORST OF THE WORST. if that isnt abu zubaida then who is it?

this is why cheney hated the cia when he was in office...
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:59 am

Brogavia wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Brogavia wrote:He's making shit up to hurt the US.


Yep. He must've forged those CIA documents saying they were mistaken about him. :p


Even if he wasn't number 3, he's still part of Al-Qaeda, and should be given the most painful death possible.


But the CIA says he isn't and they never make mistakes. *tries to keep a straight face*
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Re: Remember Abu Zubaida? The Al-Qaeda "# 3" ?

Postby UNIverseVERSE » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:03 pm

Trve wrote:The only reliable source is Dick Cheney.


HAIL THE ONE TRUE KING!


Ashmoria wrote:yeah and DICK CHENEY says that guantanamo bay holds the WORST OF THE WORST. if that isnt abu zubaida then who is it?

this is why cheney hated the cia when he was in office...


With all due respect (none) to Mr Cheney, I respond with: FUCK DICK!
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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:05 pm

UNIverseVERSE wrote:
Trve wrote:The only reliable source is Dick Cheney.


HAIL THE ONE TRUE KING!


Ashmoria wrote:yeah and DICK CHENEY says that guantanamo bay holds the WORST OF THE WORST. if that isnt abu zubaida then who is it?

this is why cheney hated the cia when he was in office...


With all due respect (none) to Mr Cheney, I respond with: FUCK DICK!

Silence orc.


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Postby Brogavia » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:07 pm

UNIverseVERSE wrote:
With all due respect (none) to Mr Cheney, I respond with: FUCK DICK!


Good luck getting it in the Urethra.
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:24 pm

Brogavia wrote:Even if he wasn't number 3, he's still part of Al-Qaeda, and should be given the most painful death possible.


What part of
The article, 2nd paragraph wrote:"They told me, 'Sorry, we discover that you are not Number 3, not a partner, not even a fighter,' " said Abu Zubaida, speaking in broken English, according to the new transcript of a Combatant Status Review Tribunal held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

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Postby BunnySaurus Bugsii » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:35 pm

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Postby Trve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:37 pm

BunnySaurus Bugsii wrote:Lo, the Great Troll posts among us. 'Tis Deep Kimchi returned!

Nah, this guy was around too early to be DK reincarnated.
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