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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:44 pm

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you say that, but if Poland suddenly disappears, Russia will have all of NATO to answer to and proceed to get its krokodil needle shoved down its throat.

Its why Russia isnt stupid enough to invade the Baltics or eastern Europe.


Well, when EU and NATO will collapse, and there wouldn't be Russia but Second Russian Empire with puppet Tsar...
But that's like, alternate future history hypothesis :p

One thing is sure, nothing is forever. I know people wants NATO and EU to exist for millenias until humanity will dissapear into cosmic void, but come on. :lol:


I mean, sure, if you want a Russian dominated Europe; why else would you want the EU or NATO to be defunct?

The idea of that somehow that sane Europeans will accept Russian domination in the 21st century has got to be the most...brain tumor ridden of all time.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:56 pm

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I mean, sure, if you want a Russian dominated Europe; why else would you want the EU or NATO to be defunct?

The idea of that somehow that sane Europeans will accept Russian domination in the 21st century has got to be the most...brain tumor ridden of all time.


Westerners seems obsessed by idea of Russian-dominated Europe since Peter the Great.

While only Empire really obsessed by domination and control of Europe were British. Conquering and colonising world, when dumb other Europeans will try to kill each other thousand times :lol:

Fact is, that Russians never really, seriously attempted to control all of Europe directly, unlike Germans or French. Sphere of inluence, sure, why not? Every world power wants one. British also kept India or Middle East as 'their stuff'.
And which nation tried to seriously exterminate other nations of Europe physically and replace them by themselves? Russians? :roll:
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:57 pm

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I mean, sure, if you want a Russian dominated Europe; why else would you want the EU or NATO to be defunct?

The idea of that somehow that sane Europeans will accept Russian domination in the 21st century has got to be the most...brain tumor ridden of all time.


Westerners seems obsessed by idea of Russian-dominated Europe since Peter the Great.

While only Empire really obsessed by domination and control of Europe were British. Conquering and colonising world, when dumb other Europeans will try to kill each other thousand times :lol:

Fact is, that Russians never really, seriously attempted to control all of Europe directly, unlike Germans or French. Sphere of inluence, sure, why not? Every world power wants one. British also kept India or Middle East as 'their stuff'.
And which nation tried to seriously exterminate other nations of Europe physically and replace them by themselves? Russians? :roll:


The russians only managed to be on the winning side and thus got away with it.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:04 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
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I mean, sure, if you want a Russian dominated Europe; why else would you want the EU or NATO to be defunct?

The idea of that somehow that sane Europeans will accept Russian domination in the 21st century has got to be the most...brain tumor ridden of all time.


Westerners seems obsessed by idea of Russian-dominated Europe since Peter the Great.

While only Empire really obsessed by domination and control of Europe were British. Conquering and colonising world, when dumb other Europeans will try to kill each other thousand times :lol:

Fact is, that Russians never really, seriously attempted to control all of Europe directly, unlike Germans or French. Sphere of inluence, sure, why not? Every world power wants one. British also kept India or Middle East as 'their stuff'.
And which nation tried to seriously exterminate other nations of Europe physically and replace them by themselves? Russians? :roll:


Actually the Russians killed and deported over a million in modern day Kaliningrad.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:16 pm

The United States of North Amerigo wrote:Why are Russian SU-34 fighter jets intercepting US F-16s?

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/06/us ... ver-syria/

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/05/ru ... 5-minutes/


Gee, batman lets try to provoke them!
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:23 pm

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Actually the Russians killed and deported over a million in modern day Kaliningrad.


That's called 'war casualties'. If it was 'ethnic cleansing' like Generalplan Ost, Russians would...depopulate Germany completely.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:25 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
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Actually the Russians killed and deported over a million in modern day Kaliningrad.


That's called 'war casualties'.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:


Kinda butchered the high horse of socialism and fed it to the rear echelon.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:26 pm

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Actually the Russians killed and deported over a million in modern day Kaliningrad.


That's called 'war casualties'. If it was 'ethnic cleansing' like Generalplan Ost, Russians would...depopulate Germany completely.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:


So the rape across Germany and Poland was also a "war casualty"? The allies punished those that participated in such horrendous behavior and the Russians didn't care for shit.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:27 pm

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That's called 'war casualties'. If it was 'ethnic cleansing' like Generalplan Ost, Russians would...depopulate Germany completely.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:


So the rape across Germany and Poland was also a "war casualty"? The allies punished those that participated in such horrendous behavior and the Russians didn't care for shit.


Or rather glorifies it as "PATRIOTIC DUTY!".

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:28 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
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Actually the Russians killed and deported over a million in modern day Kaliningrad.


That's called 'war casualties'. If it was 'ethnic cleansing' like Generalplan Ost, Russians would...depopulate Germany completely.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:


Using that logic everything the Nazi's did was also just war casualties.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:32 pm

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That's called 'war casualties'. If it was 'ethnic cleansing' like Generalplan Ost, Russians would...depopulate Germany completely.

It's really hard to understand Red Army soldiers, that they didn't showed much mercy to indoctrinated civilian population of Nazi Germany? :roll:


Using that logic everything the Nazi's did was also just war casualties.


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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:51 pm

The topic is Russian Airstrikes in Syria. The topic isn't "was Stalin just as bad as Hitler?" Considering that I'm Slavic, from my perspective, no, he wasn't, get over it. Now let's get back on topic. The "all sides committed war crimes and we cannot tell difference between Genocide and ethnic cleansing" crowd is welcome to start their own thread, get largely ignored, become really annoying, and then beaten up, proverbially, by commies, since that's how those threads usually go on NSG. Danke.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:53 pm

Shofercia wrote:The topic is Russian Airstrikes in Syria. The topic isn't "was Stalin just as bad as Hitler?" Considering that I'm Slavic, from my perspective, no, he wasn't, get over it. Now let's get back on topic. The "all sides committed war crimes and we cannot tell difference between Genocide and ethnic cleansing" crowd is welcome to start their own thread, get largely ignored, become really annoying, and then beaten up, proverbially, by commies, since that's how those threads usually go on NSG. Danke.


I mean, sure. if you could start a thread on how communism, when attempted, worked out so well.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:00 pm

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Shofercia wrote:The topic is Russian Airstrikes in Syria. The topic isn't "was Stalin just as bad as Hitler?" Considering that I'm Slavic, from my perspective, no, he wasn't, get over it. Now let's get back on topic. The "all sides committed war crimes and we cannot tell difference between Genocide and ethnic cleansing" crowd is welcome to start their own thread, get largely ignored, become really annoying, and then beaten up, proverbially, by commies, since that's how those threads usually go on NSG. Danke.


I mean, sure. if you could start a thread on how communism, when attempted, worked out so well.


You mean a thread about the Israeli Kibbutz System? You're right, that would be an interesting thread.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:05 pm

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I mean, sure. if you could start a thread on how communism, when attempted, worked out so well.


You mean a thread about the Israeli Kibbutz System? You're right, that would be an interesting thread.


Or how when communism only worked with 5 guys in an Attic in San Fransisco, they dont own that attic either.

A kibbutz not state owned but rather a collective settlement of farmers and minor industrialists that use money to interact with the outside world, but use the exchanges of goods for labor in ONLY on that compound. Its not well defined and its not a philosophy unlike Marxism, Leninism-stalinism or communism.

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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:10 pm

Whats the deal on Russia somehow crippling ISIS logistics with only airstrikes that lasted for what? a week?

The west has been trying for a year and we only managed to help keep Kobani secure, fend off ISIS in Kurdistan and blunt their attack!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:11 pm

The balkens wrote:Whats the deal on Russia somehow crippling ISIS logistics with only airstrikes that lasted for what? a week?

The west has been trying for a year and we only managed to help keep Kobani secure, fend off ISIS in Kurdistan and blunt their attack!

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Conserative Morality wrote:
The balkens wrote:Whats the deal on Russia somehow crippling ISIS logistics with only airstrikes that lasted for what? a week?

The west has been trying for a year and we only managed to help keep Kobani secure, fend off ISIS in Kurdistan and blunt their attack!

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or Russia lying through their teeth. Kinda like on how they say they are just targeting ISIS.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:46 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:Russia strong.


or Russia lying through their teeth. Kinda like on how they say they are just targeting ISIS.


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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:53 pm

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or Russia lying through their teeth. Kinda like on how they say they are just targeting ISIS.


Russia stronk!


Russia can into indirectly helping terrorists.

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Postby Gauthier » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:01 pm

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Russia can into indirectly helping terrorists.


Russia is trying to kill gremlins with a fire hose.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:14 pm

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Russia can into indirectly helping terrorists.


Russia is trying to kill gremlins with a fire hose.


Or trying to hammer rats with a inflatable mallet.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:23 pm

The balkens wrote:Whats the deal on Russia somehow crippling ISIS logistics with only airstrikes that lasted for what? a week?

The west has been trying for a year and we only managed to help keep Kobani secure, fend off ISIS in Kurdistan and blunt their attack!


Somehow, ISIL managed all the time to sell their oil, and somehow, from somewhere, they had always uinterrupted shipments of food and other supplies. Somehow they even bought many new Toyotas! :p

One would say it would be easy to starve them all to death, just to destroy every vehicle in their almost purely desert territory with few logistical lines. There are no jungles or mountains anywhere to hide anything significant.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:25 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
The balkens wrote:Whats the deal on Russia somehow crippling ISIS logistics with only airstrikes that lasted for what? a week?

The west has been trying for a year and we only managed to help keep Kobani secure, fend off ISIS in Kurdistan and blunt their attack!


Somehow, ISIL managed all the time to sell their oil, and somehow, from somewhere, they had always uinterrupted shipments of food and other supplies. Somehow they even bought many new Toyotas! :p

One would say it would be easy to starve them all to death, just to destroy every vehicle in their almost purely desert territory with few logistical lines. There are no jungles or mountains anywhere to hide anything significant.

Black market oil sells well on black market. Color me shocked.

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