Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Uxupox]

afghanistan

poland, finland. the west.

Japan and Estonia.

[The balkens]

poland, finland. the west.

Japan and Estonia.

The ottoman empire.

[Socialist Czechia]

afghanistan

poland, finland. the west.

i never noticed western armies conquering Russia

i mean, Poles had once upper hand, then Russia destroyed them. Twice.
French actually marched into Moscow, and then they were, like, exterminated by fire, weather and pissed off Russians. (i am still wondering why Germans thought it would be different with Wehrmacht).

[The balkens]

poland, finland. the west.

i never noticed western armies conquering Russia

i mean, Poles had once upper hand, then Russia destroyed them. Twice.
French actually marched into Moscow, and then they were, like, exterminated by fire, weather and pissed off Russians. (i am still wondering why Germans thought it would be different with Wehrmacht).

But did Russia actually "smash" poland into non existence forever? France? Germany? or anyone? Russia can win wars but it cant wipe out its enemies with its brute forces. hell, id wager that Russia STILL has to recover from the mongols.
Russia is not some invincible monster that some of its shills claim. As proven before, it can be beaten, past, present and future.

[The Greater Lebanon]

i never noticed western armies conquering Russia

i mean, Poles had once upper hand, then Russia destroyed them. Twice.
French actually marched into Moscow, and then they were, like, exterminated by fire, weather and pissed off Russians. (i am still wondering why Germans thought it would be different with Wehrmacht).

But did Russia actually "smash" poland into non existence forever? France? Germany? or anyone? Russia can win wars but it cant wipe out its enemies with its brute forces. hell, id wager that Russia STILL has to recover from the mongols.
Russia is not some invincible monster that some of its shills claim. As proven before, it can be beaten, past, present and future.

Russia wins in defensive wars, and at a huge cost..mostly. As for the Soviet Finnish war, it took a lot of dead Russian bodies for Finland to give the territory it did. You are right, Russia isn't this invincible monster people make it to be.

[The balkens]

But did Russia actually "smash" poland into non existence forever? France? Germany? or anyone? Russia can win wars but it cant wipe out its enemies with its brute forces. hell, id wager that Russia STILL has to recover from the mongols.
Russia is not some invincible monster that some of its shills claim. As proven before, it can be beaten, past, present and future.

Russia wins in defensive wars, and at a huge cost..mostly. As for the Soviet Finnish war, it took a lot of dead Russian bodies for Finland to give the territory it did. You are right, Russia isn't this invincible monster people make it to be.

Russia also lost to the Central powers in ww1.

I mean Afghanistan? Its the place called the "graveyard of Empires."

The US has to its credit that its not as Fucked as the USSR, internally, economically as well as a number of factors.

[May Mays]

i never noticed western armies conquering Russia

i mean, Poles had once upper hand, then Russia destroyed them. Twice.
French actually marched into Moscow, and then they were, like, exterminated by fire, weather and pissed off Russians. (i am still wondering why Germans thought it would be different with Wehrmacht).

But did Russia actually "smash" poland into non existence forever? France? Germany? or anyone? Russia can win wars but it cant wipe out its enemies with its brute forces. hell, id wager that Russia STILL has to recover from the mongols.
Russia is not some invincible monster that some of its shills claim. As proven before, it can be beaten, past, present and future.

The Russian state was almost entirely born anew after Batu Khan's western campaign. The already dying Kievan Rus' was finally shattered, while the Novgorod Republic and Muscovites/Vladimir-Suzdal gathered power. There is absolutely nothing to be recovering from. The Russian states have gone through so many transformations. Suzdal was totally demolished by the Golden Horde, yeah but eventually the crown prince of Vladimir-Suzdal surrendered. Novgorod was never even reached by the bulk of the Mongols, since they didn't want to take their horses through the marshes. Instead they just demanded tribute, which Novgorod reluctantly paid. A few Mongol overseers were left in Russia, but the Mongols always sucked at administration and almost always left the current officials in power or replaced them with other local officials. In the case of the Russian principalities, their governance was left almost exclusively to them. Taxes/tribute was hefty, but for the most part the Rus just gathered power, until the Muscovites were born from Vladimir-Suzdal and 'purged' the Mongols from Russia. They formed the Grand Duchy of Moscow, which eventually swallowed the other principalities and became the Russian empire.

Russia can be beaten, sure. But the Khanate of the Golden Horde only existed for a short 100 years. Most of what was happening in Russia under their influence wasn't very different from normal affairs.

[Napkiraly]

I mean Afghanistan? Its the place called the "graveyard of Empires."

A wholly undeserved title.

But yes, your general thing is correct. Russia is not an undefeated champion and has lost numerous times. It tends to do better in defensive wars (for what should be obvious reasons) but offensive wars tend to be a mixed bag.

Not to mention that Russia (albeit not being "Russia Russia") lost one of the most important conflicts in human history - the Cold War.

[Gauthier]

The western world is winning battles left and right.

The media is its biggest enemy. Negative spins on everything, making it seem like we're losing battles.

A new PR nightmare every day. The middle east today is very different from what it was 20 years ago, 30, 40 years ago. All that's left now is a western nation that doesn't want to admit how bad it fucked everything up, and a power-crazed "president" propping up a valuable pawn. And a few small factions, fighting over scraps, like they're fist-sized diamonds, giving more fuel for anti-west propaganda.

We Could Have Won Vietnam!!

[Ndaku]

At least Russia is getting the job done by not supporting the rebels.

[Rio Cana]

But did Russia actually "smash" poland into non existence forever? France? Germany? or anyone? Russia can win wars but it cant wipe out its enemies with its brute forces. hell, id wager that Russia STILL has to recover from the mongols.
Russia is not some invincible monster that some of its shills claim. As proven before, it can be beaten, past, present and future.

The Russian state was almost entirely born anew after Batu Khan's western campaign. The already dying Kievan Rus' was finally shattered, while the Novgorod Republic and Muscovites/Vladimir-Suzdal gathered power. There is absolutely nothing to be recovering from. The Russian states have gone through so many transformations. Suzdal was totally demolished by the Golden Horde, yeah but eventually the crown prince of Vladimir-Suzdal surrendered. Novgorod was never even reached by the bulk of the Mongols, since they didn't want to take their horses through the marshes. Instead they just demanded tribute, which Novgorod reluctantly paid. A few Mongol overseers were left in Russia, but the Mongols always sucked at administration and almost always left the current officials in power or replaced them with other local officials. In the case of the Russian principalities, their governance was left almost exclusively to them. Taxes/tribute was hefty, but for the most part the Rus just gathered power, until the Muscovites were born from Vladimir-Suzdal and 'purged' the Mongols from Russia. They formed the Grand Duchy of Moscow, which eventually swallowed the other principalities and became the Russian empire.

Russia can be beaten, sure. But the Khanate of the Golden Horde only existed for a short 100 years. Most of what was happening in Russia under their influence wasn't very different from normal affairs.

The Russians really paid the Golden Horde back many times over especially in 1556 when they attacked Kazan the Hordes Capital and destroyed it. The city was heavily populated back then.

It was something like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI3SQg7-dY0

For those that prefer a more modern version then this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuR1MvZ1r6E

[May Mays]

The western world is winning battles left and right.

The media is its biggest enemy. Negative spins on everything, making it seem like we're losing battles.

A new PR nightmare every day. The middle east today is very different from what it was 20 years ago, 30, 40 years ago. All that's left now is a western nation that doesn't want to admit how bad it fucked everything up, and a power-crazed "president" propping up a valuable pawn. And a few small factions, fighting over scraps, like they're fist-sized diamonds, giving more fuel for anti-west propaganda.

We Could Have Won Vietnam!!

The Middle East is not Vietnam.

This conflict should never have been our business in the first place, yes.

[The balkens]

The western world is winning battles left and right.

The media is its biggest enemy. Negative spins on everything, making it seem like we're losing battles.

A new PR nightmare every day. The middle east today is very different from what it was 20 years ago, 30, 40 years ago. All that's left now is a western nation that doesn't want to admit how bad it fucked everything up, and a power-crazed "president" propping up a valuable pawn. And a few small factions, fighting over scraps, like they're fist-sized diamonds, giving more fuel for anti-west propaganda.

We Could Have Won Vietnam!!

We could actually have.

But without public support? Nah.

[Kubra]

poland, finland. the west.

i never noticed western armies conquering Russia

i mean, Poles had once upper hand, then Russia destroyed them. Twice.
French actually marched into Moscow, and then they were, like, exterminated by fire, weather and pissed off Russians. (i am still wondering why Germans thought it would be different with Wehrmacht).

so we were right about afghanistan estonia and japan
prob cuz the germans legit won in ww1 against the russians

[Kraylandia]

They are accomplishing more than what the US has managed in more than a fucking year, and it's good that they are possibly striking the other "rebels" as well. I don't particularly like Assad, but he's better than any other US puppet government will ever be.

[Krasny-Volny]

Can't find any reliable sources about the Turkish F-16s shooting down an in identified (MiG?) Russian aircraft which aren't second hand.

I guess we'll know for sure pretty soon.

[May Mays]

They are accomplishing more than what the US has managed in more than a fucking year, and it's good that they are possibly striking the other "rebels" as well. I don't particularly like Assad, but he's better than any other US puppet government will ever be.

At least a US puppet won't gas his own people.

Political genusies in the White House will continue to fuck up the middle east the same way they have been over the last decade or two. This conflict should never have been one we got involved in. There's no way out in sight.

Even if the US propels the remains of the FSA into power, and free-elections are forced, what the fuck does that change? It will be a corrupt election, and none of the candidates will be nice guys, know'm sayin'?

[Kraylandia]

They are accomplishing more than what the US has managed in more than a fucking year, and it's good that they are possibly striking the other "rebels" as well. I don't particularly like Assad, but he's better than any other US puppet government will ever be.

At least a US puppet won't gas his own people.

Political genusies in the White House will continue to fuck up the middle east the same way they have been over the last decade or two. This conflict should never have been one we got involved in. There's no way out in sight.

Even if the US propels the remains of the FSA into power, and free-elections are forced, what the fuck does that change? It will be a corrupt election, and none of the candidates will be nice guys, know'm sayin'?

Nah, they'll just blow them up instead.

[Republic of the Cristo]

I am shaking my head at the hypocrisy of the shock by most people when they hear this.

When America bombs Syria, everyone is for it

But when Russia does it, they are the imperialists.

Also, the claims that Russia is bombing rebel targets, I and most of the western world are almost sure of.

But lets be frank here, America is probably also bombing Assad targets.

Lets just recognize that we are both doing something very shady.

[Kraylandia]

I am shaking my head at the hypocrisy of the shock by most people when they hear this.

When America bombs Syria, everyone is for it

But when Russia does it, they are the imperialists.

Also, the claims that Russia is bombing rebel targets, I and most of the western world are almost sure of.

But lets be frank here, America is probably also bombing Assad targets.

Lets just recognize that we are both doing something very shady.

Sure, but at least the Russians actually have permission to be in Syria from the legitimate government. The Americans don't, so if anything - they're the real imperialists.

[Republic of the Cristo]

I am shaking my head at the hypocrisy of the shock by most people when they hear this.

When America bombs Syria, everyone is for it

But when Russia does it, they are the imperialists.

Also, the claims that Russia is bombing rebel targets, I and most of the western world are almost sure of.

But lets be frank here, America is probably also bombing Assad targets.

Lets just recognize that we are both doing something very shady.

Sure, but at least the Russians actually have permission to be in Syria from the legitimate government. The Americans don't, so if anything - they're the real imperialists.

Russia and America both are.

Its really hard to pick a side in Syria.

On the one hand you have a brutal military dictatorship

On the other hand you have a brutal rebel coalition that is more and more wavering towards Islamism.

[Kraylandia]

Sure, but at least the Russians actually have permission to be in Syria from the legitimate government. The Americans don't, so if anything - they're the real imperialists.

Russia and America both are.

Its really hard to pick a side in Syria.

On the one hand you have a brutal military dictatorship

On the other hand you have a brutal rebel coalition that is more and more wavering towards Islamism.

No, they're not. Russia is merely assisting an ally - the US just want this so called "dictator" gone because he doesn't bow down to their interests.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Russia and America both are.

Its really hard to pick a side in Syria.

On the one hand you have a brutal military dictatorship

On the other hand you have a brutal rebel coalition that is more and more wavering towards Islamism.

No, they're not. Russia is merely assisting an ally - the US just want this so called "dictator" gone because he doesn't bow down to their interests.

You do not think that America has at least some allies in the Free Syrian Army? You think that Russia is only helping because of their and Syria's good bond and have no other foreign interests?

[Kraylandia]

No, they're not. Russia is merely assisting an ally - the US just want this so called "dictator" gone because he doesn't bow down to their interests.

You do not think that America has at least some allies in the Free Syrian Army? You think that Russia is only helping because of their and Syria's good bond and have no other foreign interests?

FSA are not a legitimate ruling entity, essentially the US is just helping terrorists. Pretty much, there might be some "other interests" such as to be a thorn in the side of the US, which is always a good thing to be honest. Fuck America.

[Republic of the Cristo]

You do not think that America has at least some allies in the Free Syrian Army? You think that Russia is only helping because of their and Syria's good bond and have no other foreign interests?

FSA are not a legitimate ruling entity, essentially the US is just helping terrorists. Pretty much, there might be some "other interests" such as to be a thorn in the side of the US, which is always a good thing to be honest. Fuck America.

They may not be a legitimate ruling entity, but the US would like some of the moderate seculars to become the ruling government. Also, do you not think Russia would also like another power outlet in the middle east? Not to mention all the business they do