Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Socialist Czechia]

I know this was likely already noticed by people here before, but...

US is backing Syrian rebels. Russia is backing the Syrian government.

Soo... proxy wars in 2015?

There are no US-backed rebels anymore, in fact.

There are just three sides: Assad's loyalists, An Nusra and ISIL.

Take your pick, who should win.

Just few days before official Russian interventions, even 'Muricans admitted, that what's left from 'liberal' FSA are few remote villages and outposts, and their attempts to reverse that was complete failure - since who wasn't killed, was captured by An Nusra with all it's 'Murican equipment.
Syrian guys who seeks welfare in Germany are mostly those 'liberals' who rather ran away, even selling western weaponry to both An Nusra and ISIL to get funds.

[Uxupox]

I know this was likely already noticed by people here before, but...

US is backing Syrian rebels. Russia is backing the Syrian government.

Soo... proxy wars in 2015?

There are no US-backed rebels anymore, in fact.

There are just three sides: Assad's loyalists, An Nusra and ISIL.

Take your pick, who should win.

Just few days before official Russian interventions, even 'Muricans admitted, that what's left from 'liberal' FSA are few remote villages and outposts, and their attempts to reverse that was complete failure - since who wasn't killed, was captured by An Nusra with all it's 'Murican equipment.
Syrian guys who seeks welfare in Germany are mostly those 'liberals' who rather ran away, even selling western weaponry to both An Nusra and ISIL to get funds.

That's bullshit and you know it. The Syrian refugees seeking to sell back weapons to Al Nusra and ISIS? If this is so true I guess there must be a documented fact right? Also the FSA is still around and kicking.

[Socialist Czechia]

So there is future:

Syrian government will be victorious anyway.

Russian will get a lot of international admiration and respect from, like, majority of human race (which isn't North America and Western Europe).

Assad will remain a president of Syria.

And there's nothing what westerners can do against all three things

[Socialist Czechia]

There are no US-backed rebels anymore, in fact.

There are just three sides: Assad's loyalists, An Nusra and ISIL.

Take your pick, who should win.

Just few days before official Russian interventions, even 'Muricans admitted, that what's left from 'liberal' FSA are few remote villages and outposts, and their attempts to reverse that was complete failure - since who wasn't killed, was captured by An Nusra with all it's 'Murican equipment.
Syrian guys who seeks welfare in Germany are mostly those 'liberals' who rather ran away, even selling western weaponry to both An Nusra and ISIL to get funds.

That's bullshit and you know it. The Syrian refugees seeking to sell back weapons to Al Nusra and ISIS? If this is so true I guess there must be a documented fact right? Also the FSA is still around and kicking.

Yes, that's documented fact.

Just imagine common FSA guy, not having anything but own machine gun or grenades or armored car or whatever. Where do you think he can 'find' dollars or euros to pay smugglers?
Except pillaging of course.

[Neu Leonstein]

Yes, that's documented fact.

Just imagine common FSA guy, not having anything but own machine gun or grenades or armored car or whatever. Where do you think he can 'find' dollars or euros to pay smugglers?
Except pillaging of course.

I love how your evidence of this "documentation" is more conjecture.

[Hrstrovokia]

There are no US-backed rebels anymore, in fact.

There are just three sides: Assad's loyalists, An Nusra and ISIL.

Take your pick, who should win.

Just few days before official Russian interventions, even 'Muricans admitted, that what's left from 'liberal' FSA are few remote villages and outposts, and their attempts to reverse that was complete failure - since who wasn't killed, was captured by An Nusra with all it's 'Murican equipment.
Syrian guys who seeks welfare in Germany are mostly those 'liberals' who rather ran away, even selling western weaponry to both An Nusra and ISIL to get funds.

That's bullshit and you know it. The Syrian refugees seeking to sell back weapons to Al Nusra and ISIS? If this is so true I guess there must be a documented fact right? Also the FSA is still around and kicking.

Well how else are they affording to travel to Germany? Smugglers want at least 1,000 euro on the Turkish coast.

[Uxupox]

That's bullshit and you know it. The Syrian refugees seeking to sell back weapons to Al Nusra and ISIS? If this is so true I guess there must be a documented fact right? Also the FSA is still around and kicking.

Yes, that's documented fact.

Just imagine common FSA guy, not having anything but own machine gun or grenades or armored car or whatever. Where do you think he can 'find' dollars or euros to pay smugglers?
Except pillaging of course.

If it's such documented fact then you wouldn't mind providing a link to a an astounding verifiable source.

[Turmenista]

I know this was likely already noticed by people here before, but...

US is backing Syrian rebels. Russia is backing the Syrian government.

Soo... proxy wars in 2015?

This has been happening for a real long time. US Backed Cuban Rebels, Taliban, Iraq, and other Arab states. This isn't something unusual to hear about.

What is gonna be weird is if we see Rebels backing rebels. Rebel-caption.

[Turmenista]

>USA/Obama drops bombs in Syria for over a year, nobody bats an eye or says a word.

>Russia/Putin drops bombs in Syria for a day and-

WE INTERRUPT THIS SHITPOST TO INFORM YOU THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND RUSSIA ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!

Just gonna repost to leave it here, add to sigs, criticize, cause arguments, or lighten the mood.

[Uxupox]

I know this was likely already noticed by people here before, but...

US is backing Syrian rebels. Russia is backing the Syrian government.

Soo... proxy wars in 2015?

This has been happening for a real long time. US Backed Cuban Rebels, Taliban, Iraq, and other Arab states. This isn't something unusual to hear about.

What is gonna be weird is if we see Rebels backing rebels. Rebel-caption.

We already have that though. Boko Haram backing the ISIS in Syria.

[Turmenista]

This has been happening for a real long time. US Backed Cuban Rebels, Taliban, Iraq, and other Arab states. This isn't something unusual to hear about.

What is gonna be weird is if we see Rebels backing rebels. Rebel-caption.

We already have that though. Boko Haram backing the ISIS in Syria.

Rebel-ception*

And if this is already happening... God help us..

We're gonna need a nation inside of a nation..

[Republic of Mezoamerican States]

So, what implications does this have?

Not surprised in the least. Russia clearly is desperate to hold onto their last ally in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if they intervene on the ground in the near future.

Not that they'd admit to it when they did.

Welcome to the end of Pax Americana.

World War III has begun. How nasty it will get, and who will emerge with enough military and economic power to enforce order on a global scale remains to be seen. China either knows something they don't want anyone else to know about the limitations of their economic and military capability, or are being their usual inscrutable selves. My bet is on the latter. They will choose their battles well and will emerge as the dominant economic and military power in the world. This spells no serious trouble for the United States; we're their best customer and their economy cannot survive without selling us cheap shoes. VietNam and Japan should be nervous. India and Pakistan better stop fighting each other and join together to make a common military and economic pact if they wish to retain much autonomy.

[Socialist Czechia]

Yes, that's documented fact.

Just imagine common FSA guy, not having anything but own machine gun or grenades or armored car or whatever. Where do you think he can 'find' dollars or euros to pay smugglers?
Except pillaging of course.

If it's such documented fact then you wouldn't mind providing a link to a an astounding verifiable source.

Is Al Jazeera enough for you?

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/middle- ... aeda-syria

[Rio Cana]

Seems the Russians have arrived in time to change the course of the conflict. Sort of like this short cartoon video. It starts out with the enemy gathering when out of nowhere comes a lighting attack against the enemy.

Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGofoatz-20

So that is how the Russian revolutionary forces won the war. They created a truly mobile machine gun. They really must have mowed down the Russian Monarchy forces.

[Vajorr]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /73565592/
Reports: Russia fires missiles at Syria, hits Iran instead.

[San Verucia]

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[Shofercia]

For instance, in exchange for Russia's support, China supports Russia in Syria. What're the Chinese interests in Syria?

Two things: 1) a more stable middle east is beneficial from the Chinese view point - less spill over in terms of Muslim extremism, lower commodity prices, that sort of thing; and 2) a very obvious aversion to authoritarian governments being overthrown, especially if that overthrowing involves some sort of violation of sovereignty by foreign powers (which is an interpretation some people advance for the Arab Spring).

But anyway, the support is limited to not saying much to condemn Russia's activity and vetoing anything that could be seen as a violation of Syria's sovereignty (where "sovereignty" is narrowly defined as the freedom of an authoritarian government to do as it pleases within its national boundaries). I would imagine we would see hell freeze over before China would do anything substantial to help Russia if, say, for argument's sake, Russia was to get bogged down in a lengthy quagmire in Syria or something.

And the notion that China could consider Russia an equal partner on anything other than short-term arrangements is ridiculous. The only thing Russia has going for it is a military the long-term usefulness of which is, as I said earlier in this thread, conditional on a pretty broken fiscal model. They're not in the same league, and the Chinese leadership is more aware of this than most, considering how they think in time scales of several decades as a matter of course.

It's good that you've made the leap to realize that China will do what's best for China; what I don't understand is why you fail to realize that acting in concert with Russia would be best for China. The alliance is based on three factors; first, no criss crossing conflicts, i.e. China and Russia have nothing to fight about. Second, the countries share a similar multipolar worldview. Third, they're both opposed to having the will of other countries bestowed on them, and have local projects that they both want completed. As far as aversion to authoritarian government, please save that for the PR gang. 

You admit that stability in the Middle East and Central Asia benefits China, and yet you fail to see how that'll strengthen the Russo-Chinese alliance. That's your problem. Vetoing with Russia isn't the say as not condemning; it's flat out supporting. Not condemning would be abstaining. Vetoing with = supporting. And China already did something substantial to aid Russia; who do you think led the charge to ensure that Russia wasn't isolated with sanctions? That's right, the BICS, and I think the C there stands for China. And yes, China won't support Russia if Russia gets quagmired in Syria, since it's extremely challenging to support things that don't exist, or won't exist. 

Furthermore, the SCO, where both Russia and China have equal say, is a long term venture. There's nothing short term about it. And in the SCO, the duo consider each other equal partners. Welcome to reality, bro. As for the military being broken, you do realize that Russia spends less than 5 percent, right? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS That seems sustainable to me. And yes, the Chinese leadership thinks in terms of decades, ready for a newsflash? So does the Russian leadership. 

[Greater Mackonia]

Good to see a sensible, realistic, pragmatic, amoral response to Islamic State finally put into action.

[The balkens]

So there is future:

Syrian government will be victorious anyway.

Russian will get a lot of international admiration and respect from, like, majority of human race (which isn't North America and Western Europe).

Assad will remain a president of Syria.

And there's nothing what westerners can do against all three things

Czech republic annexed by Austria or Germany.

Nothing of value was lost nor gained. /sarcasm.

[Shofercia]

Unless Turkey learns to leave the Kurds alone, (at least those outside of Turkey,) their airspace might continue to be violated. Just like they're violating Syria's and Greece's.

Wait, Russia is violating Turkish air space to assist the Kurds? Also, Turkish aircraft violated Syrian air space once. And even then, the aircraft did so mistakenly.

Compare this with three Syrian aircraft shot down by Turkey for violating Turkish air space.

Scary... Erdogan shoots down one Russian plane, Russia start supporting Kurds in Turkey. The more planes shot down, the bigger the support. Erdogan needs to chill.

[San Verucia]

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[New Werpland]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/08/report-iran-pushed-russia-intervene-syria-iraq/73565592/
Reports: Russia fires missiles at Syria, hits Iran instead.

And here it came.

Tehran Has No Info on Cruise Missiles Which Allegedly Landed in Iran

Tehran has denied US reports that four of Russia's cruise missiles targeting ISIL actually fell to the ground in Iran, with the country's defense ministry calling the accusations "psychological war."

And so the war on the ground and its propeganda war continues.

You'd think that this'd make them more happy about screwing Russia over with their oil.

[Geilinor]

Wait, Russia is violating Turkish air space to assist the Kurds? Also, Turkish aircraft violated Syrian air space once. And even then, the aircraft did so mistakenly.

Compare this with three Syrian aircraft shot down by Turkey for violating Turkish air space.

Scary... Erdogan shoots down one Russian plane, Russia start supporting Kurds in Turkey. The more planes shot down, the bigger the support. Erdogan needs to chill.

Erdogan won't chill if Russia keeps violating Turkey's airspace. No government would chill in that situation.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Wait, Russia is violating Turkish air space to assist the Kurds? Also, Turkish aircraft violated Syrian air space once. And even then, the aircraft did so mistakenly.

Compare this with three Syrian aircraft shot down by Turkey for violating Turkish air space.

Scary... Erdogan shoots down one Russian plane, Russia start supporting Kurds in Turkey. The more planes shot down, the bigger the support. Erdogan needs to chill.

One dictator is menacing another by flying planes over his airspace, the second dictator retaliates by shooting them down, the first dictator, angry, then support a local rebel group against the first dictator, and will continue to fly planes over first dictator's airspace to prop up the regime of a third dictator in his fight against yet another rebel group.

In the end of all this, we can expect several Oscar winning films about how sad it makes some white dude that a bunch of faceless Arabs are suffering.

[San Verucia]

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