Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Luna Amore]

For everyone's information: Anonymous IP address *edited out ip* changed the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on the Free Syrian Army to say "Marxist terrorist organization" at 19:15 UTC on 30 September 2015 (that is, a few minutes ago).

So the only useful information we got out of this is Ayamar's IP address.

rest in pieces ayamar

[Luna Amore]

For everyone's information: Anonymous IP address *edited out ip* changed the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on the Free Syrian Army to say "Marxist terrorist organization" at 19:15 UTC on 30 September 2015 (that is, a few minutes ago).

So the only useful information we got out of this is Ayamar's IP address.

Biatcj plz

[Conserative Morality]

Still a million times better than any of the other forces involved in this conflict. Let's not forget that Assad is the only thing defending the religious minorities from wholesale genocide.

Is he now?

[Constantinopolis]

Also, guys, as a general rule of thumb, when someone links to a Wikipedia article to support an argument, always check the history page to see if there is an active edit war, or recent controversial changes, or the article was written entirely by one user (which could indicate bias), or anything else like that.

[New Tuva SSR]

Somebody ALREADY fixed it. Lol.

[The balkens]

Still a million times better than any of the other forces involved in this conflict. Let's not forget that Assad is the only thing defending the religious minorities from wholesale genocide.

Is he now?

Alawiti best....Jihadi?

Fuck it, ill make it work.

[Luna Amore]

What im saying is that Islam as a religion is particularly responsible. Not religions in general, just islam.

I mean, that's to be expected from you, considering you're denouncing Islam while advocating a Christian crusade.

whats wrong with another christian crusade
we need a new crusade to protect the holy land from the saracens. DEUS VULT

For everyone's information: Anonymous IP address *edited out ip* changed the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on the Free Syrian Army to say "Marxist terrorist organization" at 19:15 UTC on 30 September 2015 (that is, a few minutes ago).

So the only useful information we got out of this is Ayamar's IP address.

rest in pieces ayamar

im reporting him to the police thats illegal

[Ayamar]

some idiot nottnott changed the FSA page when I added information to it wtf

[Uxupox]

Why modify Wikipedia mate don't deny it Const already clarified it. So the Taliban were Marxist? Hmm, then why did they fight the communist government of Afghanistan? It seems to me to be very counterproductive.

That was the Mujaheddin, different group.

Yea my bad keep confusing the Taliban wit the Mujaheddin. But still the Taliban weren't leftist at all.

[New Tuva SSR]

some idiot nottnott changed the FSA page when I added information to it wtf

I'm reporting you to the mods.

[Ayamar]

some idiot nottnott changed the FSA page when I added information to it wtf

I'm reporting you to the mods.

for what exactly

[The balkens]

That was the Mujaheddin, different group.

Yea my bad keep confusing the Taliban wit the Mujaheddin. But still the Taliban weren't leftist at all.

Irc, they STILL thought they were fighting the Russians in 2001....

[New Werpland]

The United States should let Russia do it's thing bombing Isis and aiding Assad, whilst in the background they doing what they have been doing. Wait until when Iranian oil becomes plentiful, and all the smart people have left Russia(http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-brain-drain-putin-ukraine-crimea-2014-12), the Assad regime will most likely lose a lot of aid and military assistance. At which point the US can jump in and truly fix the problem.

[Ayamar]

The United States should let Russia do it's thing bombing Isis and aiding Assad, whilst in the background the United States continues doing what it has been. However when Iranian oil becomes plentiful, and all the smart people have left Russia, the Assad regime will most likely lose a lot of aid and military assistance. At which point the US can jump in and truly fix the problem.

Continues what? FUNDING ISIS

[The balkens]

The United States should let Russia do it's thing bombing Isis and aiding Assad, whilst in the background the United States continues doing what it has been. However when Iranian oil becomes plentiful, and all the smart people have left Russia, the Assad regime will most likely lose a lot of aid and military assistance. At which point the US can jump in and truly fix the problem.

...

kek.

[The balkens]

The United States should let Russia do it's thing bombing Isis and aiding Assad, whilst in the background the United States continues doing what it has been. However when Iranian oil becomes plentiful, and all the smart people have left Russia, the Assad regime will most likely lose a lot of aid and military assistance. At which point the US can jump in and truly fix the problem.

Continues what? FUNDING ISIS

America: WE LEARNED IT FROM YOU, MOM.

[Constantinopolis]

Still a million times better than any of the other forces involved in this conflict. Let's not forget that Assad is the only thing defending the religious minorities from wholesale genocide.

Is he now?

Uh, yes he is. I don't see anything in that article to challenge the view that Assad is the only reliable defender of the religious minorities.

Remember, the FSA is a decentralized, heterogeneous group that (1) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the war, and (2) would collapse and start infighting as soon as the war was won (just like its equivalent did in Libya).

[New Tuva SSR]

I'm reporting you to the mods.

for what exactly

Trolling. Editing Wikipedia to prove a point is not allowed.

[New Werpland]

The United States should let Russia do it's thing bombing Isis and aiding Assad, whilst in the background the United States continues doing what it has been. However when Iranian oil becomes plentiful, and all the smart people have left Russia, the Assad regime will most likely lose a lot of aid and military assistance. At which point the US can jump in and truly fix the problem.

Continues what? FUNDING ISIS

Bombing ISIS.

[Ayamar]

Russia has begun carrying out air strikes in Syria against opponents of President Bashar al-Assad.

The strikes reportedly hit rebel-controlled areas of Homs and Hama provinces, causing casualties.

The US says it was informed an hour before they took place.

Russian defence officials say aircraft targeted the Islamic State group, but an unnamed US official told Reuters that so far they did not appear to be targeting IS-held territory.

The upper house of the Russian parliament granted President Vladimir Putin permission to deploy the Russian air force in Syria.
The Russian defence ministry said the country's air force had targeted IS military equipment, communication facilities, arms depots, ammunition and fuel supplies.

Syrian opposition activists said Russian warplanes had hit towns including Zafaraneh, Rastan ands Talbiseh, resulting in the deaths of 36 people, a number of them children.

None of the areas targeted were controlled by IS, activists said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34399164

So, what implications does this have?

Not surprised in the least. Russia clearly is desperate to hold onto their last ally in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if they intervene on the ground in the near future.

Not that they'd admit to it when they did.

The BBC are a slightly biased source towards the US so I gathered a few Russian biased ones.

http://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/28/us-mideast-crisis-putin-usa-idUSKCN0RR0H820150928

[Conserative Morality]

Uh, yes he is. I don't see anything in that article to challenge the view that Assad is the only reliable defender of the religious minorities.

Remember, the FSA is a decentralized, heterogeneous group that (1) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the war, and (2) would collapse and start infighting as soon as the war was won (just like its equivalent did in Libya).

And if you read the article, it also explains that:

1. Several minorities side with the opposition overwhelmingly over the government

2. The government isn't preventing sectarian violence any more than most of the opposition.

[Ayamar]

Uh, yes he is. I don't see anything in that article to challenge the view that Assad is the only reliable defender of the religious minorities.

Remember, the FSA is a decentralized, heterogeneous group that (1) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the war, and (2) would collapse and start infighting as soon as the war was won (just like its equivalent did in Libya).

And if you read the article, it also explains that:

1. Several minorities side with the opposition overwhelmingly over the government

2. The government isn't preventing sectarian violence any more than most of the opposition.

Well I think the government's first job is to not appear weak and make sure the country stays alive.

[New Tuva SSR]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34399164

So, what implications does this have?

Not surprised in the least. Russia clearly is desperate to hold onto their last ally in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if they intervene on the ground in the near future.

Not that they'd admit to it when they did.

The BBC are a slightly biased source towards the US so I gathered a few Russian biased ones.

http://www.rt.com/news/317013-parliament-authorization-troops-abroad/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/28/us-mideast-crisis-putin-usa-idUSKCN0RR0H820150928

Dafuq.

[Luna Amore]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army

There's really little in there to suggest they're broadly Marxist. There certainly could be Marxist elements within the FSA, but the FSA itself is a clusterfuck of amalgamated opposition groups built around a small core of Syrian Army defectors (who may or may not have any kind of broad operational authority over other groups included under their umbrella). So, by definition, the whole group can't be 'Marxist', the whole group isn't coordinated enough to have a set ideology beyond opposition to Assad and ISIS (and the latter one lapses sometimes).

For everyone's information: Anonymous IP address *edited out ip* changed the first sentence of the Wikipedia article on the Free Syrian Army to say "Marxist terrorist organization" at 19:15 UTC on 30 September 2015 (that is, a few minutes ago).

So the only useful information we got out of this is Ayamar's IP address.

Man, c'mon Ayamar, what did Wiki ever do to you?

I was adding stuff to make it truer (if thats a word)

[The balkens]

There's really little in there to suggest they're broadly Marxist. There certainly could be Marxist elements within the FSA, but the FSA itself is a clusterfuck of amalgamated opposition groups built around a small core of Syrian Army defectors (who may or may not have any kind of broad operational authority over other groups included under their umbrella). So, by definition, the whole group can't be 'Marxist', the whole group isn't coordinated enough to have a set ideology beyond opposition to Assad and ISIS (and the latter one lapses sometimes).


Man, c'mon Ayamar, what did Wiki ever do to you?

I was adding stuff to make it truer (if thats a word)

Stephen Colbert would love to have a word with you.