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Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:06 am**

West Aurelia wrote:Russian jets violated Turkey's airspace for a second time.

Russia's GLONASS system needs some serious updating, because it seems to have a problem with not being accurate enough to inform the Russian military when it has crossed international borders.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:27 am**

The provocation in Russia is just hurting everyone’s mood about the global situation. We already feel very miserable: let’s not make it worse that normal life in London comes to a complete halt.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:52 am**

I heard that Russian Electronic Jamming equipment has been spotted, what would they need that for against ISIS and Syrian Opposition groups?

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:53 am**

The balkens wrote:I heard that Russian Electronic Jamming equipment has been spotted, what would they need that for against ISIS and Syrian Opposition groups?

Things like that have present in Syria for a while. No idea what they've been up to with it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:56 am**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The balkens wrote:I heard that Russian Electronic Jamming equipment has been spotted, what would they need that for against ISIS and Syrian Opposition groups?

Things like that have present in Syria for a while. No idea what they've been up to with it.

Its odd, to say the least and slightly worrying.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:04 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The balkens wrote:I heard that Russian Electronic Jamming equipment has been spotted, what would they need that for against ISIS and Syrian Opposition groups?

Things like that have present in Syria for a while. No idea what they've been up to with it.

Preparations for some kind of a ground operation that may anger neighboring countries I guess.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:09 pm**

The FSA is a lost card, the only way to end this war is to support the Syrian government or otherwise we are not just gonna have another Libya but a well armed, trained & funded aggressive state.

The US of A and the western "free" media should assist Russia against ISIS.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:10 pm**

Teemant wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Things like that have present in Syria for a while. No idea what they've been up to with it.

Preparations for some kind of a ground operation that may anger neighboring countries I guess.

With Jamming equipment?

What the fuck are they gonna do? Jam the rebels shitty walkie talkies so they dont shout on the radio?

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:10 pm**

Slakonian wrote:The FSA is a lost card, the only way to end this war is to support the Syrian government or otherwise we are not just gonna have another Libya but a well armed, trained & funded aggressive state.

The US of A and the western "free" media should assist Russia against ISIS.

I think that if moderate rebels cannot be backed then no side should be backed. Russia shouldn't be given assistance so it would wear them out as much as possible.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:12 pm**

The balkens wrote:
Teemant wrote:
Preparations for some kind of a ground operation that may anger neighboring countries I guess.

With Jamming equipment?

What the fuck are they gonna do? Jam the rebels shitty walkie talkies so they dont shout on the radio?

I didn't say they were going to use jamming equipment against rebels.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:13 pm**

Baltenstein wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:Turkey intercepted a Russian fighter that had violated its airspace. Russia has said that the violation was the result of a navigation error. I'm glad that this wasn't a deliberate provocation and nothing went out of control.

However other sources are saying that unidentified MiG-29s harassed two Turkish F-16s. I'm not sure if this is related to the other incident, since Turkey called out Russia on that one. Syria uses MiG-29s but I doubt they would actually harass Turkish jets with tensions in the region already so high.

It's funny that Turkey is getting its airspace violated for a change.

It isn't bad when they jets flying near funking Athens but if our planes(Greek) fly within our FIR near their own or neutral airspace they feel violated. :eyebrow:

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:14 pm**

Teemant wrote:
The balkens wrote:
With Jamming equipment?

What the fuck are they gonna do? Jam the rebels shitty walkie talkies so they dont shout on the radio?

I didn't say they were going to use jamming equipment against rebels.

Ah.

Against Americans just to Fuck with them? They know that we would know it would be them the second the music comes on.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:15 pm**

Russia is just using IS as a pretext for bolstering up Assad's regime.

http://www.businessinsider.com/france-just-called-out-russia-over-actually-fighting-isis-2015-9

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:15 pm**

The balkens wrote:
Teemant wrote:
I didn't say they were going to use jamming equipment against rebels.

Ah.

Against Americans just to Fuck with them? They know that we would know it would be them the second the music comes on.

Not Americans. I think that their actions in Syria might upset some other Middle-Eastern country who may want to intervene in Syria so they might be prepared for scenario like this as well. For example Turkey is increasingly irritated by Russian behavior.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:16 pm**

Teemant wrote:
Slakonian wrote:The FSA is a lost card, the only way to end this war is to support the Syrian government or otherwise we are not just gonna have another Libya but a well armed, trained & funded aggressive state.

The US of A and the western "free" media should assist Russia against ISIS.

I think that if moderate rebels cannot be backed then no side should be backed. Russia shouldn't be given assistance so it would wear them out as much as possible.

There are no moderates anymore. There are just less extremists such as Al-Nusra. The FSA had a turning pint after the ISIS starting to shooting their former brothers-in-arms as soon as they got enough control.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:16 pm**

Teemant wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Ah.

Against Americans just to Fuck with them? They know that we would know it would be them the second the music comes on.

Not Americans. I think that their actions in Syria might upset some other Middle-Eastern country who may want to intervene in Syria so they might be prepared for scenario like this as well. For example Turkey is increasingly irritated by Russian behavior.

Hence the speculation that Russia is deliberately violating Turkish air space to show them who's boss.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:17 pm**

Slakonian wrote:
Teemant wrote:
I think that if moderate rebels cannot be backed then no side should be backed. Russia shouldn't be given assistance so it would wear them out as much as possible.

There are no moderates anymore. There are just less extremists such as Al-Nusra. The FSA had a turning pint after the ISIS starting to shooting their former brothers-in-arms as soon as they got enough control.

That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:17 pm**

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Russia is just using IS as a pretext for bolstering up Assad's regime.

http://www.businessinsider.com/france-just-called-out-russia-over-actually-fighting-isis-2015-9

And who shall we support? The FSA is lost; the game is over for them. Even if we or Assad had given them power in the end we would have another Libya in ours hands thanks to glorious Barack...

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:19 pm**

Baltenstein wrote:
Teemant wrote:
Not Americans. I think that their actions in Syria might upset some other Middle-Eastern country who may want to intervene in Syria so they might be prepared for scenario like this as well. For example Turkey is increasingly irritated by Russian behavior.

Hence the speculation that Russia is deliberately violating Turkish air space to show them who's boss.

This is Turkey where talking about, what is their" stone wall north of kobani army" gonna do?

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:19 pm**

Slakonian wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Russia is just using IS as a pretext for bolstering up Assad's regime.

http://www.businessinsider.com/france-just-called-out-russia-over-actually-fighting-isis-2015-9

And who shall we support? The FSA is lost; the game is over for them. Even if we or Assad had given them power in the end we would have another Libya in ours hands thanks to glorious Barack...

The Assad regime is lost, and far more lost than any of the other groups. What we should concentrate on is eliminating the evil of Daesh.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:20 pm**

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Slakonian wrote:There are no moderates anymore. There are just less extremists such as Al-Nusra. The FSA had a turning pint after the ISIS starting to shooting their former brothers-in-arms as soon as they got enough control.

That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:21 pm**

Eroda Saaniah wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.

No, just a terrorist state. The Assad clan won't be able to hold power for much longer anyways, and we aren't going to have another Shah on our hand.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:22 pm**

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Slakonian wrote:There are no moderates anymore. There are just less extremists such as Al-Nusra. The FSA had a turning pint after the ISIS starting to shooting their former brothers-in-arms as soon as they got enough control.

That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:23 pm**

Eroda Saaniah wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

If you want lesser of three evils, pick the one that doesn't result in more terrorist organizations, that one being Assad.

This^

Posted: **Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:23 pm**

Slakonian wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
That is why we pick the lesser of three evils, the lesser being neither IS nor Assad.

Ummm, FSA a lesser evil? Why do they allow themselves to be aligned with terrorists such as Al-nusra how are as much as bad as ISIS. The FSA has lsot the war, look at both their numbers and territory. They are being shot mostly by ISIS rather than the government; they also sanctioned the burning and looting of christian and shia houses in the siege of Homs-Kobani etc, sorry but it was a good force on the start but they aren't anymore.

So we should side with a government that clearly has no popular legitimacy?

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