Russian airstrikes in Syria

[Uxupox]

Considering that strategic Russian economic assets are pretty securely held by Putin's cronies, I can only assume the Americans did a piss-poor job of it.

They did do a poor job of it, the thieves of the 90s have been systematically driven from power and the economic assets of Russia are now managed in such a way as to benefit the people of that country.

Yea they obviously shot it down on purpose. .

Did you see where it was shot down? The nearest pro-government controlled territory is at least 500 miles away. So unless the Ukrainians have a new surface-to-air ssytem that surpasses even the new anti-air missiles employed by the United States than I'm pretty sure it didn't happen.

Actually, it was very close to the conflict zone and anyway, it was most likely a Ukrainian air force jet that shot it down.

No it was shot down by a jet. And unless the conflict zone is ~50 miles from Russia then it's bullshit.

[New Frenco Empire]

Both EU and NATO countries officially recognizes turkish claim, that PKK are terrorists It's disgusting, comparable to recognition of Italian conquest of Abyssinia in 1930s.
In both cases, so called democracies tries to be friends with filthy inhumane regime, while they dare to condemn other, even much less harsh regimes.

While for example India, China, Russia, Switzerland or Egypt sees PKK as freedom fighters or at least legitimate political opposition.

Its not like Turkey is part of Nato or anything.

Tbf, I'd take Kurdistan over modern Turkey any day of the week. If ISIS has done one thing right, it's bring more Kurdish awareness to the average Westerner.

Of course, it's not like us Russophobes care about anybody other than terrorists, of course.

[Socialist Czechia]

Its not like Turkey is part of Nato or anything.

Turkey shouldn't be in any of it ever, blockaded and boycotted, and PKK supported, if foreign policy was really about any principles.
But West really cares even less about principles in foreign policy than East.

When you need strategic airport, oil or rare kind of metal, there is no longer any principle, I guess.

[The balkens]

Its not like Turkey is part of Nato or anything.

Tbf, I'd take Kurdistan over modern Turkey any day of the week. If ISIS has done one thing right, it's bring more Kurdish awareness to the average Westerner.

Of course, it's not like us Russophobes care about anybody other than terrorists, of course.

Quite. And that Turkey cannot be trusted.

[The balkens]

Its not like Turkey is part of Nato or anything.

Turkey shouldn't be in any of it ever, blockaded and boycotted, and PKK supported, if foreign policy was really about any principles.
But West really cares even less about principles in foreign policy than East.

When you need strategic airport, oil or rare kind of metal, there is no longer any principle, I guess.

Welcome to having limited resources in the world.

[New Frenco Empire]

When you need strategic airport, oil or rare kind of metal, there is no longer any principle, I guess.

Of course not. That's geopolitics in a nutshell. Why do you think Putin is intervening in the first place? Because he genuinely cares about the Syrian people...or because he cares about the port in Tartus?

[Socialist Czechia]

Isn't this still really all about centuries long Anglo-French obsession to not ever let Russia liberate Anatolia and Constantinople?

[The balkens]

Isn't this still really all about centuries long Anglo-French obsession to not ever let Russia liberate Anatolia and Constantinople?

Too bad that Constantinople doesnt exist.

[Socialist Czechia]

When you need strategic airport, oil or rare kind of metal, there is no longer any principle, I guess.

Of course not. That's geopolitics in a nutshell. Why do you think Putin is intervening in the first place? Because he genuinely cares about the Syrian people...or because he cares about the port in Tartus?

There is more at stake than just Tartus, which isn't really massive super-important naval base like Vladivostok or Sevastopol...yet.

[Chossudovsky]

Actually, it was very close to the conflict zone and anyway, it was most likely a Ukrainian air force jet that shot it down.

You must be kidding me.

You're deliberately lying at this point.

We know that a Buk rocket launcher shot it down, not a jet.

Where is the evidence for this claim?

[Socialist Czechia]

Isn't this still really all about centuries long Anglo-French obsession to not ever let Russia liberate Anatolia and Constantinople?

Too bad that Constantinople doesnt exist.

It will always known as City of Constantine for true, faithful Orthodox Christians and for the Slavic Third Rome.

[The balkens]

Too bad that Constantinople doesnt exist.

Not for true, faithful Orthodox Christians and for the Slavic Third Rome.

Ah religion, for the Gullible.
Oh hai 4th Reich.

[Uxupox]

You must be kidding me.

You're deliberately lying at this point.

We know that a Buk rocket launcher shot it down, not a jet.

Where is the evidence for this claim?

Check a page back. The one with the BBC link.

[Socialist Czechia]

Not for true, faithful Orthodox Christians and for the Slavic Third Rome.

Ah religion, for the Gullible.
Oh hai 4th Reich.

EU is really the Fourth Reich.

Last chance for Germans to be important. Poor them. They still thinks it works.

[The balkens]

Ah religion, for the Gullible.
Oh hai 4th Reich.

EU is really the Fourth Reich.

Last chance for Germans to be important. Poor them. They still thinks it works.

Seems to be working out well so fair, UNlike the warsaw pact or the other, more shitty EU.

[New Frenco Empire]

Where is the evidence for this claim?

Check a page back. The one with the BBC link.

Asking these people to accept a source that isn't in Putin's pocket is meaningless.

Ah religion, for the Gullible.
Oh hai 4th Reich.

EU is really the Fourth Reich.

Last chance for Germans to be important. Poor them. They still thinks it works.

Ah yes, the evil German Fourth Reich! Accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees into their country and financing Europe's troubles! The horror!

[The balkens]

Check a page back. The one with the BBC link.

Asking these people to accept a source that isn't in Putin's pocket is meaningless.

EU is really the Fourth Reich.

Last chance for Germans to be important. Poor them. They still thinks it works.

Ah yes, the evil German Fourth Reich! Accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees into their country and financing Europe's troubles! The horror!

EUROPE BEING STRONG!? CHALLENGING MOTHER RUSSIA!?

UNACCEPTABLE. RUSSIA STRONK!

[New Werpland]

Obviously Saakashvili was popular, who wouldn't like a man who stole vast amounts of money from the country, sold it out to Western corporations

This common theme that his detractors like to dwell on, though it's mostly nothing more than nationalist rhetoric. The only case in which this was actually relevant was when some guy lost ownership of a pier due to a foreign investment program. These trivial and small issues are insignificant in comparison to the economic growth and near elimination of corruption in public services previously known to be totally shit and dysfunctional, during his administration.

and sought to commit genocide in Ossetia and subsequently was crushed over it in a war with Russia.

Sure.

That must be why he was elected, not because the vast funds put at his disposal by the US were used to crush the opposition and rig elections

Source?

The US underestimated Russia's willingness to fight when minorities are threatened with extermination as they continue to do in Ukraine and Syria.

Except when those minorities are Ukrainians and Tatars in a region with a Russian majority.

[Socialist Czechia]

EU is really the Fourth Reich.

Last chance for Germans to be important. Poor them. They still thinks it works.

Seems to be working out well so fair, UNlike the warsaw pact or the other, more shitty EU.

EU was really interesting project. It was. But who knows how will it officially end, since...

It seems we must simply wait until German economy will collapse. Because rest of EU will collapse with them. That will suck, of course. So much efforts for nothing.

[The balkens]

Obviously Saakashvili was popular, who wouldn't like a man who stole vast amounts of money from the country, sold it out to Western corporations

This common theme that his detractors like to dwell on, though it's mostly nothing more than nationalist rhetoric. The only case in which this was actually relevant was when some guy lost ownership of a pier due to a foreign investment program. These trivial and small issues are insignificant in comparison to the economic growth and near elimination of corruption in public services which used to be totally shit and dysfunctional before his administration.

and sought to commit genocide in Ossetia and subsequently was crushed over it in a war with Russia.

Sure.

That must be why he was elected, not because the vast funds put at his disposal by the US were used to crush the opposition and rig elections

Source?

The US underestimated Russia's willingness to fight when minorities are threatened with extermination as they continue to do in Ukraine and Syria.

Except when those minorities are Ukrainians and Tatars in a region with a Russian majority.

Den dey should be russified, because supeiror.

[Socialist Czechia]

Ah yes, the evil German Fourth Reich! Accepting hundreds of thousands of refugees into their country and financing Europe's troubles! The horror!

So you think EU is not really controlled by German policy?

When was the last time other EU countries forced Germans to accept something important despite their desires?

[Imperializt Russia]

Because it's not like Ukraine has ever operated Buk missiles, or like the Ukrainian armed forces have lost a lot of weapons to the pro-Russian rebels during the civil war. Nah.

The plane was out of Ukrainian-controlled territory, making it more likely that the rebels shot the plane down.

Using a Ukrainian Army Buk missile launcher that they stole from a Ukrainian Army base and bragged about stealing from a Ukrainian Army base on Twitter.

[The balkens]

Seems to be working out well so fair, UNlike the warsaw pact or the other, more shitty EU.

EU was really interesting project. It was. But who knows how will it officially end, since...

It seems we must simply wait until German economy will collapse. Because rest of EU will collapse with them. That will suck, of course. So much efforts for nothing.

So was communism, since it still influences edgy white teenagers that think they are entitled to shit.

[Socialist Czechia]

EU was really interesting project. It was. But who knows how will it officially end, since...

(Image)

It seems we must simply wait until German economy will collapse. Because rest of EU will collapse with them. That will suck, of course. So much efforts for nothing.

So was communism, since it still influences edgy white teenagers that think they are entitled to shit.

There was, like, never communism anywhere.

There were, though, some more or less unsuccesful attempts to create socialism.

So again, project like EU can be repeated later. Which exists now is just completely wrong and can barely survives on daily basis. One day, one crisis, efforts in Bruxelles won't be enough, and structure will finally fall.

Which doesn't necessarily means that whole effort was for nothing.
Perhaps because it's so hard to create it, it's so worth it.

[The balkens]

So was communism, since it still influences edgy white teenagers that think they are entitled to shit.

There was, like, never communism anywhere.

There were, though, some more or less unsuccesful attempts to create socialism.

Which doesn't necessarily means that whole effort was for nothing.
Perhaps because it's so hard to create it, it's so worth it.

No shit, thanks to human nature known as Greed.