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Postby New Werpland » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:29 pm

Roski wrote:
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Russia cant beat the west militarily, so it threatens global nuclear catastrophe like its going out of fashion, such talk led them to ruin before.

Hopefully, it shall do so again.


Russia will avoid war with the West because it generally cares about life

Occasionally cares about life.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 pm

Uxupox wrote:I still don't understand why you wanted to see the Finnish lose the Winter war I mean the Russians were the aggressors entirely.

Because it was Russia who was fighting Finland, not the West. Russia never, ever, ever, ever attacks anyone unprovoked for the cause of furthering their own interests! Never!

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Russia will avoid war with the West because it generally cares about life

Occasionally cares about life.

Only whenever they're confident they can get away with it.
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Postby Roski » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 pm

New Werpland wrote:
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Russia will avoid war with the West because it generally cares about life

Occasionally cares about life.


It cares enough to not nuke the US
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:31 pm

Roski wrote:Ruskies fucking up ISIS also? Hot damn

Lets get china and make this War: EVER MAJOR POWER WANTS TO FUCK YOUR DAY UP


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Postby New Werpland » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:31 pm

Roski wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Occasionally cares about life.


It cares enough to not nuke the US

That's because they'd get nuked back.

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Postby Roski » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:32 pm

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It cares enough to not nuke the US

That's because they'd get nuked back.


Thusly they care about life
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Postby The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:32 pm

Roski wrote:
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Russia cant beat the west militarily, so it threatens global nuclear catastrophe like its going out of fashion, such talk led them to ruin before.

Hopefully, it shall do so again.


Russia will avoid war with the West because it generally cares about life


Not really, they dont want to admit but deep down on the inside they are the same as us. We play the great game of global influence. They lost, they want Russia to be a world power by ANY means. Whether it means throwing away economic progress supporting a rebellion in Ukraine, and other historical events. Why? the Russian government can, have, and will throw away lives for minimal gains or don't care about civilians.

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Postby New Werpland » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:33 pm

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New Werpland wrote:That's because they'd get nuked back.


Thusly they care about life

Or they care about retaining leadership of a country that wasn't just nuked.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:34 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:Yeah, because that worked so well in Libya, right? :roll:

When will people understand that sometimes keeping a fucking war criminal in power is better than deposing him?


So are you advocating that the world should look the other way when it comes to war crimes (and crimes against humanity in general) so long as it keeps things quiet in a region?

I suppose I can see the appeal, I guess it can give the people of the West something else to think about as long as the imposed suffering of other people is "sanctioned" as it were.

Nevermind that it's Assad's brutal regime that caused the instability that allowed ISIS to grow as strong as it did but, hey, whatever.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:34 pm

Frankly, good on Putin. He's basically the only one defending a secular, tolerant regime against US-backed ISIS, Al-Nusra and the FSA.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:35 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:Frankly, good on Putin. He's basically the only one defending a secular, tolerant regime against US-backed ISIS, Al-Nusra and the FSA.


Kek.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:36 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:Frankly, good on Putin. He's basically the only one defending a secular, tolerant regime against US-backed ISIS, Al-Nusra and the FSA.


Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:37 pm

The balkens wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Frankly, good on Putin. He's basically the only one defending a secular, tolerant regime against US-backed ISIS, Al-Nusra and the FSA.


Kek.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:43 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Frankly, good on Putin. He's basically the only one defending a secular, tolerant regime against US-backed ISIS, Al-Nusra and the FSA.


Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.

I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:45 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.

I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.

You've brought conspiracies and a misunderstanding of the wants of the average American voter.

So basically...you have no evidence of the U.S backing ISIS?
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:47 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.

I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.


We need more than your words to prove that the US is really backing ISIS, so uh where is that photo?
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:48 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.


We need more than your words to prove that the US is really backing ISIS, so uh where is that photo?

Don't worry. Even if we don't get to see it, we can be sure that it isn't photoshopped! :roll:
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:49 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.

You've brought conspiracies and a misunderstanding of the wants of the average American voter.

So basically...you have no evidence of the U.S backing ISIS?

Found it. I have evidence now. The circled man is al-bagdhadi:
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-relati ... 05?print=1
And why hasn't ISIS attacked Israel yet? They're operating in the sinai for godsakes, they almost have them in the bag.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:50 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:Yeah, because that worked so well in Libya, right? :roll:

When will people understand that sometimes keeping a fucking war criminal in power is better than deposing him?

So are you advocating that the world should look the other way when it comes to war crimes (and crimes against humanity in general) so long as it keeps things quiet in a region?

I don't need to advocate it, that's precisely what the world is already doing in countless other cases. Every major power on the planet supports at least one bloody tyrant somewhere, on the grounds of him being "our tyrant". The US is doing it in Saudi Arabia, for example. And we're expected to believe that the great powers will suddenly grow a conscience over Syria? Ha.

Salus Maior wrote:I suppose I can see the appeal, I guess it can give the people of the West something else to think about as long as the imposed suffering of other people is "sanctioned" as it were.

Western governments (and Russia, and China, and everyone else) are already sanctioning several dozen brutal regimes around the world. It's how international politics always worked. Why is sanctioning Assad suddenly such a horrible thing, when we're already sanctioning Saudi Arabia, the Gulf states, Egypt, Israel, Turkey, Pakistan, that thing in Kabul calling itself the Afghan government...

Salus Maior wrote:Nevermind that it's Assad's brutal regime that caused the instability that allowed ISIS to grow as strong as it did but, hey, whatever.

Assad caused the problem, yes, but he also offers the only realistic option for ending it.

Besides, there is no way that post-war Syria could look anything like pre-war Syria, even if the same government remains in charge.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:50 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.

I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.


ISIS and Al-Qaeda despise each other.

"I've seen a picture" lol, why should I believe that? If you have the proof SHOW IT. I have no reason whatsoever to take you at your word.

I also notice that your argument is heavily based in conjecture. We're not putting boots on the ground because we had boots there FOR TEN YEARS and nothing good came of it. And nothing good would come of it now.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:50 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:You've brought conspiracies and a misunderstanding of the wants of the average American voter.

So basically...you have no evidence of the U.S backing ISIS?

Found it. I have evidence now:
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-relati ... 05?print=1
And why hasn't ISIS attacked Israel yet? They're operating in the sinai for godsakes, they almost have them in the bag.

Do you know who Joe Biden is? That's a picture of John McCain.
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Salus Maior wrote:I also notice that your argument is heavily based in conjecture. We're not putting boots on the ground because we had boots there FOR TEN YEARS and nothing good came of it. And nothing good would come of it now.

Really? REALLY?
You saying defeating ISIS won't even help the US project its interests in the middle east? Wait a sec, it doesn't need to defeat them to project its interests, by balkanising the region it's perfectly done so.

Geilinor wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Found it. I have evidence now:
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-relati ... 05?print=1
And why hasn't ISIS attacked Israel yet? They're operating in the sinai for godsakes, they almost have them in the bag.

Do you know who Joe Biden is? That's a picture of John McCain.

Ah, my mistake, not familiar with American politicians.
Still, what difference does it make, oh specific one? Explain how the fuck al-snackbardaddy and his crew are chilling with Mcain? He didn't just pop off to their house for a visit now, did he?
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:54 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:I also notice that your argument is heavily based in conjecture. We're not putting boots on the ground because we had boots there FOR TEN YEARS and nothing good came of it. And nothing good would come of it now.

Really? REALLY?
You saying defeating ISIS won't even help the US project its interests in the middle east? Wait a sec, it doesn't need to defeat them to project its interests, by balkanising the region it's perfectly done so.

Geilinor wrote:Do you know who Joe Biden is? That's a picture of John McCain.

Ah, my mistake, not familiar with American politicians.
Still, what difference does it make, oh specific one? Explain how the fuck al-snackbardaddy and his crew are chilling with Mcain? He didn't just pop off to their house for a visit now, did he?

It makes the difference between the Vice President and one Senator.
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Postby Sebtopiaris » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Really? REALLY?
You saying defeating ISIS won't even help the US project its interests in the middle east? Wait a sec, it doesn't need to defeat them to project its interests, by balkanising the region it's perfectly done so.


Ah, my mistake, not familiar with American politicians.
Still, what difference does it make, oh specific one? Explain how the fuck al-snackbardaddy and his crew are chilling with Mcain? He didn't just pop off to their house for a visit now, did he?

It makes the difference between representing the White House and representing one Senator.

He's in the US senate. Why is he visiting ISIS? Tell me.
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Postby Roski » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:56 pm

Sebtopiaris wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Provide evidence of the U.S backing ISIS.

I've seen a picture of Joe Biden with the ISIS leadership, it's not shopped.
Plus, we're all aware ISIS has backed Al-Qaeda and is backing Al-Nusra to destabilise anti-western countries, right? So why would the US use ISIS any differently? Why is the US not putting boots on the ground in the middle east anymore, huh? I thought they were allies of freedom and democracy instead of launching inefficient air strikes at Saudi nationals and edgy Algerian-French teenagers roleplaying as a caliphate.


Because the US firmly believes in the fact that aerial supremacy wins wars.

The US also doesn't want to start up fighting again because of people like you.

Those who cry that the US doesn't do enough but when the US intensifies its activities you cry that it is overstepping its boundaries.

F-22s, Tomahawks, and F/A-18s, oh my.

The ISAF has been generally efficient in fighting ISIS.
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